Steam allows criminal behaviour from game developers

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Unknown 24 Jul @ 7:47am

Steam allows criminal behaviour from game developers

I purchased a game on steam, it's called ready or not.
That was months ago. Now the game got an update.
After the update, the game forces my private computer to allow connections to epic games online services, which i do not allow because those connections are not trustworthy.
I can longer play the game i payed money for, on steam.
Steam is allowing this behaviour. I am extremly disappointed.
This happened to many games, for example dying light and rocket league where published on steam without any epic games services, now both of them force all players to allow these connections or otherwise the players will be unable to play the game they bought, some game developers who do this, for example void interactie with ready or not, do not even have a label on their steam game page saying that the game forces a connection or authentication to a third party service which is epic games online services.
This not the first incidence and won't be the last either. I know why.
Do you also know why? You, whoever is reading this right now. I want to ask you, please share my request with someone working at steam, maybe your boss, just someone who is in charge. Someone who can make a difference. Because i know that nothing will change. But steam really should change.
Can't you understand how frustrating this situation is?
I payd 50 euro for this game, bought it on steam, at the time of buying the game it did not force connections to epic games online services, if it would have done so, i would never have bought it. But now the game forces every person who bought the game legally and want's to play online, to allow connections to epic games online services, this is even for players like me who have fully disabled crossplay which is the developers reason to include epic online services.
Then why does the game not let me play online when i've turned off crossplay.

Let's sum up:
1) Game purchased on steam
2) At the time of purchase, the game does not use any epic games services
3) Game get's an update which forces connections to epic games service to play online
4) Players who don't want and don't allow epic games services connections can no longer play the game online

I played the game only in online mode with friends, now i can't play online at all.

Steam knows this is happening. And does nothing.
Game developers selling a product, then updating their product to force connections to third parties that have never been mentioned when the product was originally published is described by a single word. Criminal. This is scamming every person who legally bought the product.
I call to boycutt any game developer behaving like this and i call on steam to restrict this behaviour in the first place by mandating gamedevelopers not updating their products with forced connections to third parties that have never been mentioned when the product was originally published. Game developers must on the day of first release decide which online services they use and publicly show this information on their steam page.
There's another similar topic which i will just mention without going into detail, gamedevs updating their games with third party kernel level anticheat like easy anti cheat from epic games must also be banned on steam. Game devs must on the day of release show which software is used in their games. I've bought gta v legally on steam, years later an update forces kernel level anticheat on any person who owns and wants to play the game online.
This isn't anything but criminal, and steam is compliant tollerating this behaviour.

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pckirk 24 Jul @ 7:49am

Your posting in the wrong forum, for games, please post your question in the games own forum. This is a STEAM related sub-forum, to discuss Ideas and suggestions for valve to make to the steam User Interface on the App, client and website and online steam services.

You need to complain to the games publisher / developer directly, it is off topic here.

Satoru 24 Jul @ 7:50am

Note "we use Epic as a middleware matchmaking system" is not 'spyware'. Many games use this because its the only middleware platform that has cross platform support between PC and consoles.

Your paranoia and ignorance is the problem. If you block something the game needs because you are ignornant, THAT IS A YOU PROBLEM

There is no 'criminal behavior' on the developers part

There is only 'massive ignorance' on your part.

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Unknown 24 Jul @ 7:51am

Originally posted by pckirk:
Your posting in the wrong forum, for games, please post your question in the games own forum. This is a STEAM related sub-forum, to discuss Ideas and suggestions for valve to make to the steam User Interface on the App, client and website and online steam services.

Quote: "Thanks for your comments - we value feedback from the Steam community. I'm forwarding your comments on to the appropriate department.

Additionally, if you wish to share an opinion, suggestion, or idea with the community as well, please visit the Suggestions/Ideas section of the Steam Discussion forums.

This forum is regularly read by Valve's development team. Let us know if you have any other questions.

Steam Support
Sherry"

Ben Lubar 24 Jul @ 7:51am

If you disable a game's access to the network, it can't access the network.

That seems pretty straightforward to me.

Unknown 24 Jul @ 7:54am

Originally posted by Satoru:
Note "we use Epic as a middleware matchmaking system" is not 'spyware'. Many games use this because its the only middleware platform that has cross platform support between PC and consoles.

Your paranoia and ignorance is the problem. If you block something the game needs because you are ignornant, THAT IS A YOU PROBLEM

There is no 'criminal behavior' on the developers part

There is only 'massive ignorance' on your part.

You are calling me paranoia and ignorant.
I directly call you on because this type of commenting under my opinion is agressively insulting.
Learn to speak normally before replying any further.
Steam moderating are reading this threads, it would be their job to ban you from the forum as insulting is a violation of rules.

To your information, under chinese law every company based in china must obey the chinese government, all and any information from any chinese company must be accessible for the chinese government. This includes epic games and epic games online services as this is a chinese software product. If someone here is ignorant, i know who it is.

Crazy Tiger 24 Jul @ 7:56am

It's not criminal behaviour as that all is covered by the license you purchased.

If you don't like it, you're free to go to a local consumer agency to address it.

Ben Lubar 24 Jul @ 7:59am

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
It's not criminal behaviour as that all is covered by the license you purchased.

If you don't like it, you're free to go to a local consumer agency to address it.

It reminds me of some computer related radio show I was listening to decades ago where someone had apparently bought a brand new Windows computer, opened Task Manager, and looked at the system process list and decided that it must have been the result of evil hackers... before they had even plugged in a network cable a single time.

The host of the call-in show was trying to explain to them that those processes were perfectly normal and nobody was controlling the computer remotely via svchost.exe or whatever, but they were having none of it.

pckirk 24 Jul @ 7:59am

Originally posted by Unknown:

Steam moderating are reading this threads, it would be their job to ban you from the forum as insulting is a violation of rules.

LMFAO, There are no moderators in this steam forum reading any threads / posts unless it is reported.

also "sherry" is wrong and has nothing to do with the forums, what I posted is directly from the forum managers forum / sub-forum description for this forum.

Unknown 24 Jul @ 7:59am

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
It's not criminal behaviour as that all is covered by the license you purchased.

If you don't like it, you're free to go to a local consumer agency to address it.

The license must change. Should be obvious from original post.

Unknown 24 Jul @ 8:02am

Originally posted by pckirk:
Your posting in the wrong forum, for games, please post your question in the games own forum. This is a STEAM related sub-forum, to discuss Ideas and suggestions for valve to make to the steam User Interface on the App, client and website and online steam services.

You need to complain to the games publisher / developer directly, it is off topic here.

The game developers is not responsible for steam. The problem is with steam. Steam makes the rules on steam. Not the game developers. Shouldn't be necessary to explain this.

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Crazy Tiger 24 Jul @ 8:05am

Originally posted by Unknown:
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
It's not criminal behaviour as that all is covered by the license you purchased.

If you don't like it, you're free to go to a local consumer agency to address it.

The license must change. Should be obvious from original post.

Says you, sure. But for that you need to go the legal ways so there comes a change to how licensing works.

None of the gaming companies are obliged to change how things work when it's all perfectly legal. Your suggestion on this platform is moot in that regard, since you aren't going the proper channels.

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Mad Scientist 24 Jul @ 8:08am

Originally posted by Unknown:
Additionally, if you wish to share an opinion, suggestion, or idea with the community as well, please visit the Suggestions/Ideas section of the Steam Discussion forums.

This forum is regularly read by Valve's development team. Let us know if you have any other questions.

Steam Support
Sherry"

That's their polite way of saying "this isn't account or billing related" to make users stop sending and updating tickets about things they don't handle. Quite often they incorrectly tell people to post here.

It's not "criminal" to update or use a matchmaking framework to take over including adding cross-play - where crossplay with EOS can typically be disabled in options for those using EOS. It may just be easier for them to rely on either Valves systems or EOS. Choosing to block what is needed to matchmake which causes no multiplayer connection thus ability is a self-caused issue.

Originally posted by Unknown:
The game developers is not responsible for steam. The problem is with steam. Steam makes the rules on steam. Not the game developers. Shouldn't be necessary to explain this.

I highly doubt they're going to tell Devs not to use easy infrastructure to allow multiplayer rather than trying to hand-code absolutely everything or relying only on Valves stuff.

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Unknown 24 Jul @ 8:13am

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Originally posted by Unknown:
Additionally, if you wish to share an opinion, suggestion, or idea with the community as well, please visit the Suggestions/Ideas section of the Steam Discussion forums.

This forum is regularly read by Valve's development team. Let us know if you have any other questions.

Steam Support
Sherry"
That's their polite way of saying "this isn't account or billing related" to make users stop sending and updating tickets about things they don't handle. Quite often they incorrectly tell people to post here.

It's not "criminal" to update or use a matchmaking framework to take over including adding cross-play - where crossplay with EOS can typically be disabled in options for those using EOS. It may just be easier for them to rely on either Valves systems or EOS. Choosing to block what is needed to matchmake which causes no multiplayer connection thus ability is a self-caused issue.

Originally posted by Unknown:
The game developers is not responsible for steam. The problem is with steam. Steam makes the rules on steam. Not the game developers. Shouldn't be necessary to explain this.
I highly doubt they're going to tell Devs not to use easy infrastructure to allow multiplayer rather than trying to hand-code absolutely everything or relying only on Valves stuff.

You mean, they give us the finger and tell us to move along because they dont give a . about our request.

The matchworking framework in use is forced to play online but did previously not exist in the game, this alone is reason to feel offended by the developer. But the insanity to force chinese software that belongs to the government whos mandating access to all chinese software, is criminal.

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 24 Jul @ 8:19am

Originally posted by Unknown:
This happened to many games, for example dying light and rocket league where published on steam without any epic games services, now both of them force all players to allow these connections or otherwise the players will be unable to play the game they bought...

Rocket League... Epic Games literally acquired the independent game development studio Psyonix.

It's THEIR game now.

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Mad Scientist 24 Jul @ 8:21am

Originally posted by Unknown:
You mean, they give us the finger and tell us to move along because they dont give a . about our request.

They handle Account & Billing issues and issues with Valve software/hardware only.
They aren't there complaints about 3rd parties updating their games to use matchmaking framework so people can play their games together.

Originally posted by Unknown:
The matchworking framework in use is forced to play online but did previously not exist in the game, this alone is reason to feel offended by the developer. But the insanity to force chinese software that belongs to the government whos mandating access to all chinese software, is criminal.

I have only a few games that suddenly use EOS, and it has as much as I hate epic; been stable and reliable. Would you rather they have added microsofts unreliable systems requiring a microsoft login and data mining habits of microsoft prone to punishing you and the server operator for mere words spoken or content on privately operated servers if they didn't like it? That happened to Minecraft, typically no one cares what happens on servers that use EOS except the server operators themselves.

You can use EOS and still block other domains without losing multiplayer.

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