if they are kept on then visa and mc get removed.

pick 1

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

How about this: DON'T remove the games that bothers them, instead makes it so that the games that bothers them cannot be purchased with the choice credit cards, and if a person tries to purchase with them have a notice come up urging the users to contact the CC company and file a complaint.

Visa/MC threatened that they will cut ties to Steam/Valve if they continue selling those games, not if they continue to let those games be paid for using Visa/MC.

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

How about this: DON'T remove the games that bothers them, instead makes it so that the games that bothers them cannot be purchased with the choice credit cards, and if a person tries to purchase with them have a notice come up urging the users to contact the CC company and file a complaint.

Perhaps you should better inform yourselves of what is happening, then you'll understand that this solves nothing.

You cannot really outsmart them with shell games.

Being an enemy of corporations is supposed to suck. It is how you can tell who is a playfighting poser who is just claiming to do so out of fashion and who is not.

I talked about that too, but again that's not the matter.

These companies don't want just to be used to transfer money to buy these games, they want the softhouses bankrupt and employees fired. They wanna signalize virtue to a few crazy and hysterical women.

They know pretty well that if the games remain listed and other payment methods are available to buy them, ppl will just use those methods and the result will just be that those methods will grow and the softhouses will remain in business.

Only those companies would lose and we'd all win.

Well, it's time to ditch the credit card companies and rely on better transaction methods that aren't handled by those megacorps, which already exist, such as the PIX in Brazil.

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Well, it's time to ditch the credit card companies and rely on better transaction methods that aren't handled by those megacorps, which already exist, such as the PIX in Brazil.

How about no?

Originally posted by eram:

if they are kept on then visa and mc get removed.

pick 1

We pick the games, ♥♥♥♥ VISA/MC.

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Originally posted by nullable:

Well don't hold your breath. If Valve was going to drop major payment providers over rape and incest games, then they would have. How about you accept Valve made an informed decision and that's not likely to change.

Don't worry, you don't have to agree. Because time will tell who's is right, and who's just angry and ignorant.

It's you who are being the fool here. It is purging a LOT of games rated Mature on multiple platforms, Itch.IO for one NUKED anything NSFW containing the mature tag, doesn't matter the context of the game.

Allowing this kind of authoritarian behavior to take roots is opening doors to a destructive censorship that knows no bounds. Imagine if next goes games like GTA, God of War, Doom, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and many others, only because of a select few gets triggered easier than Resetera.

Turns out filling HR with people from a specific culture ends up making the entire corporation converged into that culture's goals. Who would have guessed?

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Originally posted by nullable:

Well don't hold your breath. If Valve was going to drop major payment providers over rape and incest games, then they would have. How about you accept Valve made an informed decision and that's not likely to change.

Don't worry, you don't have to agree. Because time will tell who's is right, and who's just angry and ignorant.

It's you who are being the fool here. It is purging a LOT of games rated Mature on multiple platforms, Itch.IO for one NUKED anything NSFW containing the mature tag, doesn't matter the context of the game.

Kinda sounds like Itch didn't have any vetting process and there was no way for them to figure out which games had what content, so they went shotgun approach. I am not sympathetic to their cavalier business practices.

Sounds like Itch has to grow up a bit. Boo hoo.

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Allowing this kind of authoritarian behavior to take roots is opening doors to a destructive censorship that knows no bounds. Imagine if next goes games like GTA, God of War, Doom, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and many others, only because of a select few gets triggered easier than Resetera.

And if that never happens then all the wheel spinning you're doing right now is a foolish waste of time to massage your own ego. So let's talk when GTA, God of War, or Castlevania or Final Fantasy are banned.

Being able to imagine a bottomless downward spiral isn't some great feat, and it's not very creative.

Payment Processors are allowed to have terms for their service. Valve has terms for its service, including removing games for certain content. Valve has agreed to the terms. And some people are very upset by it. Well, welcome to the real world.

And some people will leave, and some people will use other place or means to obtain what they want and deny Valve their money. There's those who fight, and those who surrender.

Any payment method that is dependent in its obtainability or exchangability to another payment method will make ideas such as this one obsolete because credit card companies will still be part of this dependency chain and will pressure the lower level of the dependency chain to cease and desist, be it Valve directly, any retail store or exchange hub, any other payment method that uses credit cards, both virtual and real.

The issue is not the how Steam gets the money for the questionable content, but the fact that Steam gets money for the questionable content. Offering certain games on Steam alone is enough to enforce a cease and desist, no matter the payment method; Neither Visa nor Mastercard want to be held liable for the sale of (potentially) questionable content.

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Well, it's time to ditch the credit card companies and rely on better transaction methods that aren't handled by those megacorps, which already exist, such as the PIX in Brazil.

No, moving to government controlled payment service is even worse. That's another step towards getting an actual fascist government, first they'll disarm their citizens, then they'll move to control all aspects of payment transactions so they can directly control what the people can cannot buy.

And yes, the actual problem is the potential for visa/MC to be held liable for this potentially illegal content.

Rape/incest games can potentially be obscene content, which is illegal even in the USA...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obscenity

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/obscenity

Anyone make visa/MasterCard aware of such content, it makes sense why VISA/MC would choose to get that content removed because of the risk they hold if that content is found to be illegal.

VISA/MC could be held liable for it if it turns out it's illegal content.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/1m8oi92/comment/n527of5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Steam&utm_term=1&utm_content=t1_n5hoq3m

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Tsuki Zero:

Well, it's time to ditch the credit card companies and rely on better transaction methods that aren't handled by those megacorps, which already exist, such as the PIX in Brazil.

No, moving to government controlled payment service is even worse. That's another step towards getting an actual fascist government, first they'll disarm their citizens, then they'll move to control all aspects of payment transactions so they can directly control what the people can cannot buy.

HAHAHA, funny joke, the current president of Brazil, a communist, tried to open that can 'o worms on the government having control and being able to monitor all transactions (they currently can't), but a senator blew the whistle on what was about to happen and how PIX could get taxed, and they had to hit the "Go Back!" button fast because vendors were starting to drop PIX immediately, 1 day after the whistle blowing happened.

Of course, the situation got back to normal, our transactions are still handled more like between "person, bank, business", but vendors are still wary about the government trying to get involved, so they are ready to ditch PIX if it ever happens..