New Localized Community Moderators
Valve needs to have at least a few HQ or HQ-Remote (US-Based) people paid to moderate the main sections daily
This would be for the purpose of making higher-quality decisions being able to take in context, history etc. They would as expected also be Global Moderators so they can do what's needed in any section of the forums meaning Game Hubs as well. This will also help reduce issues with upcoming/recently released games or news surrounding a game.

Given the incredible amount of forum spam every time a subject trends typically because of spamming 'content creators' telling half-truths paired with ragebait & clickbait content, it would be best to have someone merging threads to stop the flow of dozens of duplicate threads and keeping things civil with actual presence on the forums to keep things civil.

It would also result in not having terroristic threats like the ones from yesterday being up for a long period of time especially when we had Volunteer Moderators they would've removed that within a minute or minutes and relayed it for investigation accordingly.

There's also that this recent event has seemingly created a surge of hijacked account spam bots being used to also post pornography links, CP links ("how do you know?" - the literal links had the C.P. words when hitting quote on pending analysis posts for some of the posts), questionable content links, crypto scams, video link spam, actually-hateful content, and other expected spam which is constantly bumping & spamming threads as a nuisance.

This would also ensure since they would be involved with the community, to know any background of individuals primarily present for bad acting, spamming the same unhelpful/dishonest messages for years, concern-trolling, thread hijackings, multiple account trolling, and people posting legitimately dangerous advice that can kill other users for "Hardware advice" that is left up for a long period of time that it's a basic liability not to deal with it sooner.

Overall we do need more local or HQ-Remote moderators, volunteer moderators would be neat as well, but paying someone for immediately dealing with unacceptable content, and taking their time to resolve other matters properly in a high quality manner when there's no immediate issues would be a small but good investment.

Put some care into the community.:gordon::headcrab:
Last edited by Mad Scientist; 29 Jul @ 7:58am
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♥♥♥♥ that. Just shut down the forums.
pckirk 29 Jul @ 7:58am 
+100 to the above OP
Last edited by pckirk; 29 Jul @ 7:58am
Yes, please.
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Valve needs to have at least a few HQ or HQ-Remote (US-Based) people paid to moderate the main sections daily
This would be for the purpose of making higher-quality decisions being able to take in context, history etc. They would as expected also be Global Moderators so they can do what's needed in any section of the forums meaning Game Hubs as well. This will also help reduce issues with upcoming/recently released games or news surrounding a game.

Given the incredible amount of forum spam every time a subject trends typically because of spamming 'content creators' telling half-truths paired with ragebait & clickbait content, it would be best to have someone merging threads to stop the flow of dozens of duplicate threads and keeping things civil with actual presence on the forums to keep things civil.

It would also result in not having terroristic threats like the ones from yesterday being up for a long period of time especially when we had Volunteer Moderators they would've removed that within a minute or minutes and relayed it for investigation accordingly.

There's also that this recent event has seemingly created a surge of hijacked account spam bots being used to also post pornography links, CP links ("how do you know?" - the literal links had the C.P. words when hitting quote on pending analysis posts for some of the posts), questionable content links, crypto scams, video link spam, actually-hateful content, and other expected spam which is constantly bumping & spamming threads as a nuisance.

This would also ensure since they would be involved with the community, to know any background of individuals primarily present for bad acting, spamming the same unhelpful/dishonest messages for years, concern-trolling, thread hijackings, multiple account trolling, and people posting legitimately dangerous advice that can kill other users for "Hardware advice" that is left up for a long period of time that it's a basic liability not to deal with it sooner.

Overall we do need more local or HQ-Remote moderators, volunteer moderators would be neat as well, but paying someone for immediately dealing with unacceptable content, and taking their time to resolve other matters properly in a high quality manner when there's no immediate issues would be a small but good investment.

Put some care into the community.:gordon::headcrab:
I agree.
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Valve needs to have at least a few HQ or HQ-Remote (US-Based) people paid to moderate the main sections daily
This would be for the purpose of making higher-quality decisions being able to take in context, history etc. They would as expected also be Global Moderators so they can do what's needed in any section of the forums meaning Game Hubs as well. This will also help reduce issues with upcoming/recently released games or news surrounding a game.

Given the incredible amount of forum spam every time a subject trends typically because of spamming 'content creators' telling half-truths paired with ragebait & clickbait content, it would be best to have someone merging threads to stop the flow of dozens of duplicate threads and keeping things civil with actual presence on the forums to keep things civil.
Valve has been consistent in holding that multiple threads about similar issues, often incorrectly referred to as "spam" by those arguing in bad faith, are perfectly acceptable and it is not Valve's duty to merge such threads nor is there any need to. They have been at least as consistent on this as their "always up to date" philosophy for game patching.

You will simply have to accept you are not entitled to have a board free of threads you do not wish to see. What people here often forget is that this is a discussion board, not an affirmation board.
Zefar 29 Jul @ 9:38am 
Their time would be much better spent on just doing reports. If you can keep the reports to a minimum you will answer on any report on the forum quicker.

There are far too many sections on Steam for them to add a Moderator for one of them each or even assign 50 to one moderator.
mldb88 29 Jul @ 9:40am 
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Valve needs to have at least a few HQ or HQ-Remote (US-Based) people paid to moderate the main sections daily
This would be for the purpose of making higher-quality decisions being able to take in context, history etc. They would as expected also be Global Moderators so they can do what's needed in any section of the forums meaning Game Hubs as well. This will also help reduce issues with upcoming/recently released games or news surrounding a game.

Given the incredible amount of forum spam every time a subject trends typically because of spamming 'content creators' telling half-truths paired with ragebait & clickbait content, it would be best to have someone merging threads to stop the flow of dozens of duplicate threads and keeping things civil with actual presence on the forums to keep things civil.
Valve has been consistent in holding that multiple threads about similar issues, often incorrectly referred to as "spam" by those arguing in bad faith, are perfectly acceptable and it is not Valve's duty to merge such threads nor is there any need to. They have been at least as consistent on this as their "always up to date" philosophy for game patching.

You will simply have to accept you are not entitled to have a board free of threads you do not wish to see. What people here often forget is that this is a discussion board, not an affirmation board.

You didn’t actually read the post, did you?

As for the suggestion I’m all for it
Originally posted by Zefar:
Their time would be much better spent on just doing reports. If you can keep the reports to a minimum you will answer on any report on the forum quicker.

There are far too many sections on Steam for them to add a Moderator for one of them each or even assign 50 to one moderator.
The other team would still be a thing. Resolving matters permanently and being proactive would be better community care and involvement, so the other team can still spend their time as they typically do. It would also be greatly helpful for game hubs in comparison.

For example, the individuals caught with dozens of alts for a year despite the same name and avatars is a bit absurd to let happen for such a prolonged amount of time.

A few experienced individuals is quite often greater than an entire team especially for dealing with specific but frequent situations. I'm talking 2-3 paid locals as a minimum, not dozens of people. Quality over quantity, similar to how higher tiers always have significantly less people than the starter tiers, think of them as "Community Managers" if one must.

Originally posted by mldb88:
You didn’t actually read the post, did you?

As for the suggestion I’m all for it
It would require individuals to admit dozens of overly identical topics and suggestion about one event are spam, some have been removed as well for being spam.

It's why localized mods would be more interested in merging stuff as they would be directly involved with the community, being paid to be proactive above all else as there's already a team that just does reports, but often is unaware of history, context, how much is the same thread about a current trend etc. :VBCOOL:
Knee 29 Jul @ 10:14am 
As for the game hub spam, I think the default hub you see should be owners only so you would have to click on a separate section for non-buyers. The spam might be there but at least it’s out of immediate view for game owners.
eram 29 Jul @ 10:20am 
Originally posted by Knee:
As for the game hub spam, I think the default hub you see should be owners only so you would have to click on a separate section for non-buyers. The spam might be there but at least it’s out of immediate view for game owners.
they can do that right now, but its up to the devs/publishers for each game hub to set it up.
pckirk 29 Jul @ 11:29am 
plus they have to maintain the General topic forum open to all, for people asking questions about the game etc.
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
It would require individuals to admit dozens of overly identical topics and suggestion about one event are spam, some have been removed as well for being spam.

It's why localized mods would be more interested in merging stuff as they would be directly involved with the community, being paid to be proactive above all else as there's already a team that just does reports, but often is unaware of history, context, how much is the same thread about a current trend etc. :VBCOOL:
The majority have not, nor can you know on what grounds they were removed, and Valve has followed this same pattern for literally years. They have repeatedly, across multiple hubs and multiple instances of similiar situations, moderated such that this behavior does not constitute spam and they do not need to remove or consolidate this. This is a consistent observable pattern in how Valve has acted that anyone with experience in this community should be aware of.

You do not need users to admit anything is spam. You need Valve to. And they have shown by their actions repeatedly over multiple years that they do not agree with you. And that's okay. It is their site and their rules and their choice how to moderate it.

People often get quite entitled and forget that what they personally want doesn't really matter as much as they think.
Last edited by William Shakesman; 29 Jul @ 11:39am
mldb88 29 Jul @ 11:37am 
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Valve needs to have at least a few HQ or HQ-Remote (US-Based) people paid to moderate the main sections daily
This would be for the purpose of making higher-quality decisions being able to take in context, history etc. They would as expected also be Global Moderators so they can do what's needed in any section of the forums meaning Game Hubs as well. This will also help reduce issues with upcoming/recently released games or news surrounding a game.

Given the incredible amount of forum spam every time a subject trends typically because of spamming 'content creators' telling half-truths paired with ragebait & clickbait content, it would be best to have someone merging threads to stop the flow of dozens of duplicate threads and keeping things civil with actual presence on the forums to keep things civil.

It would also result in not having terroristic threats like the ones from yesterday being up for a long period of time especially when we had Volunteer Moderators they would've removed that within a minute or minutes and relayed it for investigation accordingly.

There's also that this recent event has seemingly created a surge of hijacked account spam bots being used to also post pornography links, CP links ("how do you know?" - the literal links had the C.P. words when hitting quote on pending analysis posts for some of the posts), questionable content links, crypto scams, video link spam, actually-hateful content, and other expected spam which is constantly bumping & spamming threads as a nuisance.

This would also ensure since they would be involved with the community, to know any background of individuals primarily present for bad acting, spamming the same unhelpful/dishonest messages for years, concern-trolling, thread hijackings, multiple account trolling, and people posting legitimately dangerous advice that can kill other users for "Hardware advice" that is left up for a long period of time that it's a basic liability not to deal with it sooner.

Overall we do need more local or HQ-Remote moderators, volunteer moderators would be neat as well, but paying someone for immediately dealing with unacceptable content, and taking their time to resolve other matters properly in a high quality manner when there's no immediate issues would be a small but good investment.

Put some care into the community.:gordon::headcrab:
Case in point, the profile that has actual live porn as their avatar that’s pretty much going to get removed as soon as report based moderation takes their sweet time getting to it. Proactive moderation would nip that ASAP.
mldb88 29 Jul @ 11:37am 
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
It would require individuals to admit dozens of overly identical topics and suggestion about one event are spam, some have been removed as well for being spam.

It's why localized mods would be more interested in merging stuff as they would be directly involved with the community, being paid to be proactive above all else as there's already a team that just does reports, but often is unaware of history, context, how much is the same thread about a current trend etc. :VBCOOL:
The majority have not, and Valve has followed this same pattern for literally years. They have repeatedly, across multiple hubs and multiple instances of similiar situations, moderated such that this behavior does not constitute spam and they do not need to remove or consolidate this. This is a consistent observable pattern in how Valve has acted that anyone with experience in this community should be aware of.

You do not need users to admit anything is spam. You need Valve to. And they have shown by their actions repeatedly over multiple years that they do not agree with you. And that's okay. It is their site and their rules and their choice how to moderate it.

People often get quite entitled and forget that what they personally want doesn't really matter as much as they think.

Yet they’ve removed multiple topics as spam already so, you really have no case here, William. Sounds more like you’re projecting what YOU personally want to be the case here.
Last edited by mldb88; 29 Jul @ 11:39am
Originally posted by mldb88:
Case in point, the profile that has actual live porn as their avatar that’s pretty much going to get removed as soon as report based moderation takes their sweet time getting to it. Proactive moderation would nip that ASAP.
I noticed there is a huge uptick of that sort of stuff being spammed ever since this whole visa/mc thing, way more than usual. The fact the name is what it is too, wow, shouldn't even be able to quote something with those links in it.

Originally posted by mldb88:
Yet they’ve removed multiple topics as spam already so, you really have no case here, William. Sounds more like you’re projecting what YOU personally want to be the case here.
The fact we're also seeing hijacked accounts/spam bots also posting links the account names/link names outright claims is CSAM really fights the whole "theres no spam" narrative, let alone the dozens and dozens of visa/mc, "bypass with crypto!", "bypass with steam wallet!" threads.
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