DO NOT CAPITULATE TO CENSORSHIP
RELIST the adult games

The argument made by payment processors is that such purchases are ILLEGAL

These games are NOT ILLEGAL

DELISTING the games only worsens your problem because it INSINUTATES THAT YOU AGREE THE GAMES ARE ILLEGAL

DO NOT PLAY INTO THEIR GAME

Relist the games and RECORD ALL THE WILLFUL DENIAL OF PAYMENTS as EVIDENCE that the PAYMENT PROCESSORS' ACTIONS ARE UNAWFUL
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Whether these games are or aren't illegal is irrelevant. If the payment processors don't want them, it's the best thing for Valve as a business to de-list them. The alternative is, worst case scenario, the payment processors pull their business from Valve, forcing Valve to go under completely, destroying Steam and everything we have.

The current situation, whilst a slippery slope, is the best way this could have gone (outside of it never happening to begin with. The games removed were an incredibly niche and socially questionable part of the adult only genre. They will likely not be missed.

If and when this is pushed further, and I do stress the "if", that's when we need to start expecting Valve to push back, or risk the total collapse of the gaming industry over fake moral outrage from those few who don't even play them to begin with.

Watch it closely, but now is not the time for true outrage.
You already made a thread recently, theres also dozens of threads on this.

Risk losing most of their business.
Or.
Lose rape and incest "games" for a tiny audience.

Easy choice.
Originally posted by Invasion_Dec:
RELIST the adult games

The argument made by payment processors is that such purchases are ILLEGAL

These games are NOT ILLEGAL

DELISTING the games only worsens your problem because it INSINUTATES THAT YOU AGREE THE GAMES ARE ILLEGAL

DO NOT PLAY INTO THEIR GAME

Relist the games and RECORD ALL THE WILLFUL DENIAL OF PAYMENTS as EVIDENCE that the PAYMENT PROCESSORS' ACTIONS ARE UNAWFUL
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/10/601911716272418536/

No need to spam, best of luck, blocked, etc.
Originally posted by datCookie:
Whether these games are or aren't illegal is irrelevant. If the payment processors don't want them, it's the best thing for Valve as a business to de-list them. The alternative is, worst case scenario, the payment processors pull their business from Valve, forcing Valve to go under completely, destroying Steam and everything we have.

The current situation, whilst a slippery slope, is the best way this could have gone (outside of it never happening to begin with. The games removed were an incredibly niche and socially questionable part of the adult only genre. They will likely not be missed.

If and when this is pushed further, and I do stress the "if", that's when we need to start expecting Valve to push back, or risk the total collapse of the gaming industry over fake moral outrage from those few who don't even play them to begin with.

Watch it closely, but now is not the time for true outrage.

It is NEVER irrelevant whether or not something is illegal. The LAW is the measure. Allowing corporations to dictate what other companies can and cannot sell IS ILLEGAL. They do NOT have the right to control the market in any way shape or form. These guys caved to crazy wenches in Australia. There is no justification for what Visa and MasterCard are doing. None. Also, the games currently being removed are also psycho-horror games, not vixen-games. Valve will not push back. They have already caved.
Originally posted by Ceana of the Crags:

It is NEVER irrelevant whether or not something is illegal. The LAW is the measure. Allowing corporations to dictate what other companies can and cannot sell IS ILLEGAL. They do NOT have the right to control the market in any way shape or form. These guys caved to crazy wenches in Australia. There is no justification for what Visa and MasterCard are doing. None. Also, the games currently being removed are also psycho-horror games, not vixen-games. Valve will not push back. They have already caved.

If what they've done is illegal, then take them to court over it. Talk to a lawyer. Do the leg work.

And no, legality isn't the only measure. Valve are allowed to dictate what games are allowed on their store outside of those that are illegal to sell. It's their platform, they can do what they wish as far as this is concerned.

Payment processors don't want to be associated with content that may tarnish their brand through association (even though most people never knew these games existed).

Again, if what they've done is illegal, take them to court.
Oh for heavens sake. People are winding themselves up too much about this. No one really cares.
It's an argument about inappropriate material and this is largely between parents and action groups and governments .. deciding what is and what is not appropriate for a games platform. Let them get on with it.
Last edited by Pocahawtness; 3 Aug @ 12:54am
Originally posted by Invasion_Dec:
DO NOT CAPITULATE TO CENSORSHIP

Steam handles this like it handled everything from day 1:

They take the easiest path to make the most profit with the least possible problems.

It's been like that since 2017 and now you suddenly care?
Tanoomba 3 Aug @ 12:47pm 
Originally posted by Ceana of the Crags:
Allowing corporations to dictate what other companies can and cannot sell IS ILLEGAL.
They aren't dictating anything. They are choosing not be associated with rape and incest porn games.

Originally posted by Ceana of the Crags:
They do NOT have the right to control the market in any way shape or form.
But they do have the right to choose to not to be associated with rape and incest porn.


Originally posted by Ceana of the Crags:
These guys caved to crazy wenches in Australia.
Or, that group just brought to their attention content that they would have objected to long ago had they known it was there.
No way, how could they not know it was there? Steam has had a huge collection of dodgy porn for years now. I never thought it was a good idea.

I'm just concerned about all the perfectly normal games that have something technically adult in them. There are some boobs in The Witcher 3. The horror. You can bang women but it's not like you see much.

It's not a porn game.
Most actual porn games on Steam are not affected. It is only a limited list that involves incest, minors, or other illegal or borderline illegal content.
Originally posted by GoldInfinit7:
Most actual porn games on Steam are not affected. It is only a limited list that involves incest, minors, or other illegal or borderline illegal content.

Well, they're affected by the other issue, the stupid online child safety act or whatever it's called. And the European versions which are lurking in the shadows.
Originally posted by GoldInfinit7:
Most actual porn games on Steam are not affected. It is only a limited list that involves incest, minors, or other illegal or borderline illegal content.
Incest isn't illegal and no illegal or minor content was removed here because Valve already forbids both of those.
Originally posted by Ceana of the Crags:
Originally posted by datCookie:
Whether these games are or aren't illegal is irrelevant. If the payment processors don't want them, it's the best thing for Valve as a business to de-list them. The alternative is, worst case scenario, the payment processors pull their business from Valve, forcing Valve to go under completely, destroying Steam and everything we have.

The current situation, whilst a slippery slope, is the best way this could have gone (outside of it never happening to begin with. The games removed were an incredibly niche and socially questionable part of the adult only genre. They will likely not be missed.

If and when this is pushed further, and I do stress the "if", that's when we need to start expecting Valve to push back, or risk the total collapse of the gaming industry over fake moral outrage from those few who don't even play them to begin with.

Watch it closely, but now is not the time for true outrage.

It is NEVER irrelevant whether or not something is illegal. The LAW is the measure. Allowing corporations to dictate what other companies can and cannot sell IS ILLEGAL. They do NOT have the right to control the market in any way shape or form. These guys caved to crazy wenches in Australia. There is no justification for what Visa and MasterCard are doing. None. Also, the games currently being removed are also psycho-horror games, not vixen-games. Valve will not push back. They have already caved.

They didn't cave, they wanted to do it. They've been doing ♥♥♥♥ like this for decades to anything they view as 'distasteful', weed shops are a good example of this.
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