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Norman Schwarzkopf Jr. 11 Jul @ 9:47am

Once you go green, you never go back

I got myself a 5090 at MSRP a while back and used AMD GPUs for over a decade before I've switched teams and I don't think I can ever go back. It's literally a day and night difference between the RTX 5000 series and the RX 9000 series.

Where to start?

FSR 4 vs DLSS 4 = While AMD made a huge step forward with their implementation of FSR 4, NVIDIA did as well. We all know that FSR 1-3 is kind of a joke if you value quality over perfomance, and that DLSS 3 already looked better than native in some games but most of the time, it was equal or little less than equal to native. But DLSS 4, Jesus......You can't spot a freaking difference, even on 1440p. It's insane.

AFMF vs. Smooth Motion - Both are gamechangers if you keep your FPS over 50 to 60, but there are much less artifacts with Smooth Motion and it feels smoother

DLDSR vs VSR - Much better quality, AA and smoothness but VSR does also a good job

Raytracing - Another step forward for AMD with the RX 9000 series but they still can't touch the RT/PT perfomance of Nvidia GPUs. Again, day and night difference

Drivers - Both are great. I loved Adrenalin but the Nvidia app is also pretty good

I also find RTX HDR to be amazing and can't remember AMD having a similar option. GSync seems also to run much better than FreeSync, especially when we're talking about LFC and flickering on VA panels.

So if you have to decide between a 9070XT or a 5070TI/5080 (btw the RTX 5000 series is so easily OCable, you can turn your 5070TI into a 5080 with a few tweaks), even if you have to pay up to 200/300 bucks more, it will be worth it. Ask anyone who owns a Nvidia GPU and has switched from AMD, they will tell you the same.
Nvidia is a no brainer. By god, i just wish I would have done that 10 years ago.

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Shaggy 11 Jul @ 10:17am

I have issues with Nvidia as a company, which is why I do not buy their products.

AbedsBrother 11 Jul @ 10:32am

Bought my first Nvidia gpu in 15 years last year, a 4070 Ti Super. Nvidia's control panel takes care of the essentials, but the software suite is frankly terrible, crashing at least once a week and failing to import the games I have installed. I also jumped to team green right as their drivers started stinking. To say I am underwhelmed is an under-statement.

My previous gpu, a 7900xt, was better in literally everything I do EXCEPT raytracing. The 7900xt was so powerful in raster I didn't need upscaling for literally any game, including Cyberpunk, unless raytracing was turned on. With the Radeon 9xxx-series apparently improving raytracing, I'm thinking of selling the 4070 TiS and switching back.

and btw DLSS does NOT look BETTER than native. One of the biggest tech lies of the last five years. sheesh

wesnef 11 Jul @ 10:32am

Originally posted by Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.:
even if you have to pay up to 200/300 bucks more, it will be worth it.

Having never paid more than $250-275 for a new GPU (and that was only my latest one; all the others were under $200), the idea of spending "200-300 more" for a bit of extra features is crazy. Even allowing that I'm going to have to spend more for my next GPU just due to the absurd price increase each gen, I'll likely never go Nvidia just because of the extra price premium they charge. Oh, and being annoyed at the company for how this whole idiotic "AI" thing is warping everything in technology. And their absurd over-valuation as a company. And. . .

Corona Scurrae 11 Jul @ 10:35am

Drivers are not both great. I found issues in some games that were not present on NVIDIA. I tested 9070xt vs 5070ti and my 4080s

AMD still can't design a decent coldplate. When hotspot reaches 85C the fans ramp and the sound is uncomfortable to say the least. Also not a fan of 86C gddr6 temps on the 9070xt

I can easily add +500mhz to my 5070ti. No issues so far and it performs like stock 5080. Also the uv potential is great. I can get 4080s performance with less

Furthermore add productivity to the equation and you'd it's insane - not the hipster term - to opt for AMD instead of NVIDIA. The price of 9070xt compared to 5070ti - at least for a decent aib model - is roughly 10-13%. Hardly an incentive to buy AMD

But with that said rdna4 is a good first step. I think with udna2 they'll be able to compete but until then NVIDIA remains king
AMD is currently worth it for their CPU lineup. 9000 series is impressive

Slav Mcgopnik 11 Jul @ 10:36am

Most people agree that the 5090, excepting its technical issues (melty cables and driver problems) is a killer card in terms of performance, but the price on it is nuts and simply not worth it for a supermajority of users.

I would not judge the 5080 or 5070 by the 5090, they are MUCH weaker cards and the 5070 ti especially is a total toss up compared to the 9070 xt, even when OC’d.

Comparing the 9070xt to the 5090 isn’t really fair either, the 9070xt is set to compete with the 5070 ti (which it does very well), not the 5090 or even the 5080.

Norman Schwarzkopf Jr. 11 Jul @ 10:48am

Originally posted by Shaggy:
I have issues with Nvidia as a company, which is why I do not buy their products.

Fair enough. I can respect that. It's the same for me with Apple, Nestle, etc.

Originally posted by AbedsBrother:
Bought my first Nvidia gpu in 15 years last year, a 4070 Ti Super. Nvidia's control panel takes care of the essentials, but the software suite is frankly terrible, crashing at least once a week and failing to import the games I have installed. I also jumped to team green right as their drivers started stinking. To say I am underwhelmed is an under-statement.

My previous gpu, a 7900xt, was better in literally everything I do EXCEPT raytracing. The 7900xt was so powerful in raster I didn't need upscaling for literally any game, including Cyberpunk, unless raytracing was turned on. With the Radeon 9xxx-series apparently improving raytracing, I'm thinking of selling the 4070 TiS and switching back.

and btw DLSS does NOT look BETTER than native. One of the biggest tech lies of the last five years. sheesh

I get you. I mean if I didn't put any value on Raytracing, Upscaling, etc. I'd still be on team red. Nvidia isn't a match for AMD when we're talking about price to raster perfomance ratio. AMD will always win. Best bang for the buck, period.

Originally posted by wesnef:
Originally posted by Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.:
even if you have to pay up to 200/300 bucks more, it will be worth it.

Having never paid more than $250-275 for a new GPU (and that was only my latest one; all the others were under $200), the idea of spending "200-300 more" for a bit of extra features is crazy. Even allowing that I'm going to have to spend more for my next GPU just due to the absurd price increase each gen, I'll likely never go Nvidia just because of the extra price premium they charge. Oh, and being annoyed at the company for how this whole idiotic "AI" thing is warping everything in technology. And their absurd over-valuation as a company. And. . .

A negative attitude towards expensive hardware is totally alright. It's your money and you're free to spend it the way you like.

Originally posted by Corona Scurrae:
Drivers are not both great. I found issues in some games that were not present on NVIDIA. I tested 9070xt vs 5070ti and my 4080s

AMD still can't design a decent coldplate. When hotspot reaches 85C the fans ramp and the sound is uncomfortable to say the least. Also not a fan of 86C gddr6 temps on the 9070xt

I can easily add +500mhz to my 5070ti. No issues so far and it performs like stock 5080. Also the uv potential is great. I can get 4080s performance with less

Furthermore add productivity to the equation and you'd it's insane - not the hipster term - to opt for AMD instead of NVIDIA. The price of 9070xt compared to 5070ti - at least for a decent aib model - is roughly 10-13%. Hardly an incentive to buy AMD

But with that said rdna4 is a good first step. I think with udna2 they'll be able to compete but until then NVIDIA remains king
AMD is currently worth it for their CPU lineup. 9000 series is impressive

Well, Im only team green since a few months. Can't speak bad about the Nvidia app. Adrenalin always did it's job and was way ahead of the Nvidia app regarding specific game settings and such.

Originally posted by Slav Mcgopnik:
Most people agree that the 5090, excepting its technical issues (melty cables and driver problems) is a killer card in terms of performance, but the price on it is nuts and simply not worth it for a supermajority of users.

I would not judge the 5080 or 5070 by the 5090, they are MUCH weaker cards and the 5070 ti especially is a total toss up compared to the 9070 xt, even when OC’d.

Comparing the 9070xt to the 5090 isn’t really fair either, the 9070xt is set to compete with the 5070 ti (which it does very well), not the 5090 or even the 5080.

I didn't compare the 5090 to a 9070XT. I was generally speaking about AMD and NVidia and their implementation of features.
Friends of mine own 5070TIs, 5080s and 9070XTs and it seems that the 5070TI is easily overclockable to a 5080 within seconds. Heck, even the Asus Prime 5070TI from my son boosts up to 2900Mhz stock. A few tweaks here and there, and you got yourself a 5080 for 800 bucks. Can't say the same thing about the 9070Xt though. It's OCable, sure, but not like the 5070TI. But I guess it also depends on the manufaturer.

Last edited by Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.; 11 Jul @ 10:51am

Skyblue 23 hours ago

Yep. Pathtracing is also incredible and completely transforms games, if you can test it on Cyberpunk 2077 damn, looks like a 4k movie.

I actually think at 4k DLSS performance (1080p base) is close to 4kish, maybe more like 1800p, Quality (1440p) is basically 4k. But that’s kind of insane how low res 1080p is, absolutely terrible native resolution outside of handhelds.

wesnef 23 hours ago

Originally posted by Skyblue:
But that’s kind of insane how low res 1080p is, absolutely terrible native resolution outside of handhelds.

I love the 27" 1080p monitor I upgraded to a few years ago. It's so clear and crisp.
(now, the old 32" Sony Trinitron SD tube TV we have in the other room, with my PS2 hooked up to it? That's low res. I remember the eye strain of playing PS3 Final Fantasy games on it back in the day.)

gwwak 22 hours ago

Originally posted by Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.:
I got myself a 5090 at MSRP a while back and used AMD GPUs for over a decade before I've switched teams and I don't think I can ever go back. It's literally a day and night difference between the RTX 5000 series and the RX 9000 series.

Where to start?

FSR 4 vs DLSS 4 = While AMD made a huge step forward with their implementation of FSR 4, NVIDIA did as well. We all know that FSR 1-3 is kind of a joke if you value quality over perfomance, and that DLSS 3 already looked better than native in some games but most of the time, it was equal or little less than equal to native. But DLSS 4, Jesus......You can't spot a freaking difference, even on 1440p. It's insane.

AFMF vs. Smooth Motion - Both are gamechangers if you keep your FPS over 50 to 60, but there are much less artifacts with Smooth Motion and it feels smoother

DLDSR vs VSR - Much better quality, AA and smoothness but VSR does also a good job

Raytracing - Another step forward for AMD with the RX 9000 series but they still can't touch the RT/PT perfomance of Nvidia GPUs. Again, day and night difference

Drivers - Both are great. I loved Adrenalin but the Nvidia app is also pretty good

I also find RTX HDR to be amazing and can't remember AMD having a similar option. GSync seems also to run much better than FreeSync, especially when we're talking about LFC and flickering on VA panels.

So if you have to decide between a 9070XT or a 5070TI/5080 (btw the RTX 5000 series is so easily OCable, you can turn your 5070TI into a 5080 with a few tweaks), even if you have to pay up to 200/300 bucks more, it will be worth it. Ask anyone who owns a Nvidia GPU and has switched from AMD, they will tell you the same.
Nvidia is a no brainer. By god, i just wish I would have done that 10 years ago.

Well for a thousand dollars more, it better be a night and day difference.

Skyblue 22 hours ago

Originally posted by wesnef:
Originally posted by Skyblue:
But that’s kind of insane how low res 1080p is, absolutely terrible native resolution outside of handhelds.

I love the 27" 1080p monitor I upgraded to a few years ago. It's so clear and crisp.
(now, the old 32" Sony Trinitron SD tube TV we have in the other room, with my PS2 hooked up to it? That's low res. I remember the eye strain of playing PS3 Final Fantasy games on it back in the day.)

I mean yeah I played old games back in the day at 240p or whatever, but it was all you had.

With 4k 1080p looks a bit soft to me now, because I’m used to how sharp 4k is.

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Slav Mcgopnik 22 hours ago

Originally posted by Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.:
Originally posted by Slav Mcgopnik:
Most people agree that the 5090, excepting its technical issues (melty cables and driver problems) is a killer card in terms of performance, but the price on it is nuts and simply not worth it for a supermajority of users.

I would not judge the 5080 or 5070 by the 5090, they are MUCH weaker cards and the 5070 ti especially is a total toss up compared to the 9070 xt, even when OC’d.

Comparing the 9070xt to the 5090 isn’t really fair either, the 9070xt is set to compete with the 5070 ti (which it does very well), not the 5090 or even the 5080.

I didn't compare the 5090 to a 9070XT. I was generally speaking about AMD and NVidia and their implementation of features.
Friends of mine own 5070TIs, 5080s and 9070XTs and it seems that the 5070TI is easily overclockable to a 5080 within seconds. Heck, even the Asus Prime 5070TI from my son boosts up to 2900Mhz stock. A few tweaks here and there, and you got yourself a 5080 for 800 bucks. Can't say the same thing about the 9070Xt though. It's OCable, sure, but not like the 5070TI. But I guess it also depends on the manufaturer.

If anything, that just tells me that the 5080 is an overpriced turd, not that the 5070 ti is a god tier card.

The main reason to go for a 5070 ti over a 9070xt is if you want DLSS 4 and better ray tracing, that's about it. If they're around the same price in your region the 5070 ti has an edge, but once we starting getting too far off in price the 9070xt is just much better value.

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smokerob79 22 hours ago

NgreedyA is garbage and i never want their fake frames.....having a 3080 and a 4090 i can say its just pure GARBAGE....

if fake lag inducing frames are the future then im done with gaming.....

last in closing most of gaming friends are going AMD with them on things like 7800xt and 7900xt's....none of them want to go back to NgreedyA

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Killua 21 hours ago

NVIDIA= Great for Windows user, the best for livestreaming (Nvenc is superior) you like ai/don't mind fake frames, play's on 4K, likes raytracing & don't care for the lack of 32 bit Physx support (on 5xxx cards).

AMD= Great for Linux, you value raw performance, don't want to spend a lot on a GPU, don't care much for ray tracing or 4K gaming.

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HaikuLambda 21 hours ago

Originally posted by smokerob79:
NgreedyA is garbage and i never want their fake frames.....having a 3080 and a 4090 i can say its just pure GARBAGE....

if fake lag inducing frames are the future then im done with gaming.....

last in closing most of gaming friends are going AMD with them on things like 7800xt and 7900xt's....none of them want to go back to NgreedyA

NgreedyA is killing me lmao

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