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Elthrael 18. juni kl. 9:08

Help me choose between 2 builds

So a friend asked me to put together a build for his kid, max budget 1000€ (brand new build, no components like case/PSU/RAM from previous build, PC only, no peripherals).

He has a decent 144Hz 1080p monitor with no intention to upgrade. AFAIK he plays a mix of multiplayer games like CS and single player games, also mostly shooters with the occasional RPG.

I will be buying from my local store which is https://www.mlacom.si/.

Case, PSU, cooler and storage are the same for both builds, and they are:

Fractal Pop Air (98€)
Corsair CX650 (66€)
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 (46€)
Crucial P3 Plus NVMe 1TB, 2x (total 133€)

I'm set on those, so what I need help with is the core components.

Build 1:

ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 - 125€
Ryzen 5 7500F (tray, no cooler) - 186€
Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 6000 CL30, 32 GB (110€)
AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT - 350€

for a total of 1117€

Build 2:

Gigabyte B550M DS3H - 90€
Ryzen 5 5600 (tray, no cooler) - 94€
Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 3200 CL16, 32GB - 53€
nVidia RTX 5060 Ti 16GB - 485€

for a total of 1068€

Basically, build 1 has a much faster CPU and RAM combo, much better upgradeability, faster storage support, but a slower GPU.

On the other hand, build 2 is slightlly cheaper, with a much better GPU with better features (however bad RT on the 5060 Ti is, it's still better than RX 7000, and DLSS4 is vastly superior to FSR3), but it's on a completely dead platform using a very basic CPU that has limited upgradeability (5700X3D is super overpriced and hard to find, 5700X/5800X aren't a big upgrade for gaming etc.)

I'm leaning more towards build 1 since the 7600XT is still plenty good for 1080p and I think buying into AM4 this late isn't a smart move, but the premium does bother me (although my buddy could probably swing it no problem). Then again, it's nice to have a fast GPU because that's what usually contributes to better gaming performance, but I feel the 5600 is a bit on the slow side for a modern gaming PC.

He's upgrading from an old rig, I think it's a 7th gen or 8th gen i5 and a GTX 1080 (non-Ti), so either of those would be a big leap.

What would you pick and why?

Sidst redigeret af Elthrael; 18. juni kl. 9:11

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Monk 18. juni kl. 10:16

I'd see if they can stretch the budget a little bit more.

Go with the boxed 7600, it's faster, €25 more but means you don't need the €50 peerless assassin as it comes with one, drop one of the nvme drives for now and go with a cheaper case, there are plenty of options on the site.

That should add upto around €100 to €130 saving, which will pay for the 5060 ti 16GB, I've got the msi ventus 2 model and while the fans can get a little loud maxed out, it will keep the card at over 3GHz under full load even in my air starved htpc, plus, it's €50 cheaper again.

Or save a bit more up, go for a 7600x and keep the peerless assassin.

They will end up with a faster system for pretty much the same price.

Elthrael 18. juni kl. 11:14

Oprindeligt skrevet af Monk:
I'd see if they can stretch the budget a little bit more.

Go with the boxed 7600, it's faster, €25 more but means you don't need the €50 peerless assassin as it comes with one, drop one of the nvme drives for now and go with a cheaper case, there are plenty of options on the site.

That should add upto around €100 to €130 saving, which will pay for the 5060 ti 16GB, I've got the msi ventus 2 model and while the fans can get a little loud maxed out, it will keep the card at over 3GHz under full load even in my air starved htpc, plus, it's €50 cheaper again.

Or save a bit more up, go for a 7600x and keep the peerless assassin.

They will end up with a faster system for pretty much the same price.

The only thing I don't want to do is get a cheaper case. I think a good case is a good investment since it's the only thing that can last you for however long you want. There aren't really any good cheaper cases anyway. In fact, I changed the case to the Lian Li Lancool 207 because it performs a LOT better than the Pop Air for the same money. Only other case I'd maybe consider is the Montech X3.

I'm not a fan of stock coolers because again, I think it's a good investment, it can last you for more than one build, and if the CPU ever gets upgraded, the stock cooler might not be enough and you'd have to buy it anyway. That said, the stock cooler definitely is more than enough for the 7600 (especially the non-X), so it's not a bad money saving strategy.

With your recommendations, I now have

ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 - 125€
Ryzen 5 7600 box w/cooler - 197€
Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 6000 CL30, 32 GB (110€)
5060 Ti 16 GB 485€

for a total of 1,144€, which is a few bob more than the 7600XT build, but with a lot better components.

Monk 18. juni kl. 11:37

I'm not the biggest fan of stock coolers either, but when you have a tight budget, they get the job done, cases, likewise can be an area to save some money, as can going with a cheaper 5060 ti 16GB model.

They are easy upgrades in the future if needed afterall, but, it really depends just how tight thst €1000 budget is.

gwwak 18. juni kl. 12:40

Consider the RTX 9060 XT 16 GB instead of the RTX 5060 Ti 16GB. It is supposed to be cheaper. Slightly worse to tied on conventional titles. Noticeably worse on ray traced and specific titles. Still absolutely fine for esports titles and shooters.

emoticorpse 18. juni kl. 12:53

What about...

5600 (non-x) with cooler for 111,57 € (I think that version has a cooler?)
MSI Mag Tomohawk Wifi for 165,37 € (I'd personally like to see a better board in any of your builds)
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB PRO 32GB for 81,71 €
ASUS GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Prime 16GB for 561,80 €

For 922 € if my math isn't all busted up. I think you can get away with this older processor if he's still on 1080p/144 hz with no plan on upgrading. He gets quality parts with some rgb and still gets a nice gpu.

Just an idea.

wing0zero 18. juni kl. 12:53

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elthrael:
Lancool 207
Corsair CX650 (66€)
Crucial P3 Plus NVMe 1TB, 2x (total 133€)
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 - 125€
Ryzen 5 7600 box w/cooler - 197€
Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 6000 CL30, 32 GB (110€)
5060 Ti 16 GB 485€

for a total of 1,144€,

Solid rig if you go for that.

Elthrael 18. juni kl. 13:49

Oprindeligt skrevet af emoticorpse:
I'd personally like to see a better board in any of your builds

Honestly, I'm running a B650M-HDV/M.2 in my personal rig with a Ryzen 7 7700 and it works just fine with good clocks, temps and memory timings with minimal tweaking. I don't see the point in higher end boards unless you need something specific like an I/O requirement, most boards these days have good enough VRMs to run pretty much anything.

Oprindeligt skrevet af gwwak:
Consider the RTX 9060 XT 16 GB instead of the RTX 5060 Ti 16GB. It is supposed to be cheaper. Slightly worse to tied on conventional titles. Noticeably worse on ray traced and specific titles. Still absolutely fine for esports titles and shooters.

Dude the 9060 XT would be my first and ONLY choice of GPU, nVidia has really soiled the bed with Blackwell, drivers are a mess, ray tracing at this level isn't anything to write home about anyway and the prices, don't get me started. But for some arcane reason, this store doesn't stock the 9060 XT even though they have by far the best prices for the 9070 XT and 9070 and are one of the few stores to even have reliable AMD stock.

I did some digging and found it somewhere else for a cool 370€, maybe this was the saving grace this build needed

I think this might be the final version

Lian Li Lancool 207 - 92.50€
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 - 125.27€
AMD Ryzen 5 7600 w/stock cooler - 197.51€
Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 6000 CL30, 32 GB - 110€
Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB - 370.94€
Corsair CX650 - 66.99€
Crucial P3 Plus NVMe 1TB - 66.62€ (can always add more later)

total: 1036.83€

That looks like a great rig to me. I don't really see any downsides.

I'll tell my buddy both these options and see what he says.

Sidst redigeret af Elthrael; 18. juni kl. 14:02

Monk 18. juni kl. 14:44

I'd say go with the 5060 ti 16GB still, the base models are 400 bucks and you get better upscaling, raytracing and frame gen, reflex and all the streaming tools and video upscaling, to me, it's worth 50 bucks extra.

Raytracing is totally viable on the 5060 ti 8 and 16Gb version and driver issues are not as wide spread as click bait would have you believe.

Elthrael 19. juni kl. 0:40

Oprindeligt skrevet af Monk:
Raytracing is totally viable on the 5060 ti 8 and 16Gb version and driver issues are not as wide spread as click bait would have you believe.

I dunno man, to me, neither 30 FPS (9060 XT) or 45 FPS at 1080p upscaled is a great experience (looking at Alan Wake II numbers for example), or 23 vs 42 FPS (Indiana Jones). Both are still well below 60. And the 9060 XT actually matches the 5060 Ti in some RT titles like Metro Exodus. Not worth the 100€ premium IMO.

I asked my buddy and he proved once again to be a good parent - the kid is paying for his own PC with his summer job money. He is definitely going for the 9060 XT build 😅

Monk 19. juni kl. 2:27

If its €100 yeah, that's different it's like £30-50 here, thought I saw the base 16GB models at €400 but they were the 8GB ones and I have long held that a saving of 100 bucks is worth going AMD.

Will be a great system anyway, frankly I've been really impressed with how capable low end cards are these days having been using the 3050 8GB and 5060ti 16GB exclusively the past few months while I upgraded my main rig.

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