What you guys think of this Central Processing Unit ?

intel has its issues but its more than good enough for 60fps gaming
higher fps takes more cpu and gpu
higher res only takes more gpu

be sure to update bios
never manually oc

most clc will last 3-5 years
for air coolers just change the fans

best cheap air cooler
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vZfV3C/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-v3-7084-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-v3
just make sure the case has good airflow

Originally posted by _I_:

intel has its issues but its more than good enough for 60fps gaming
higher fps takes more cpu and gpu
higher res only takes more gpu

be sure to update bios
never manually oc

most clc will last 3-5 years
for air coolers just change the fans

best cheap air cooler
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vZfV3C/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-v3-7084-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-v3
just make sure the case has good airflow

Change never manually OC to always, doing a very basic overclock / undervolt is highly recommended as the mobos like to push really high voltages into the chips which creates excessive heat you can easily avoid.

clc life times in my experience are way longer than you need them to be these days, I know a bunch still going strong after 10 years.

They are very reliable and affordable these days and will do a better job cooling a 14700kf than a, peerless assassin, which is definetly close to it's limit on that chip.

The 14700kf will give you a decent performance bump if the price is right, go for it.

Originally posted by bythelee:

What you guys think of this Central Processing Unit ?

It’s a fantastic CPU but you need to know what you are doing as it’s statistically the most affected model by silicon degradation problem.
If you get one, then make sure to update bios or/and follow some good guides how to lock cores and lower voltage spikes.
Maybe additionally under-volt and underclock to reduce temps and make it more aircooling friendly.
Also get it from a good store in case you will need to warranty claim.

There is some luck and skill involved but it’s one of the fastest gaming CPUs you can get.

I cool my 13700kf with a cheap arctic freezer 36 and yes the 14700kf is a good CPU. Problem is that intel never bothered to fix the ongoing degradation of raptor-lake. Which means you have to go into bios and lock all cores or experience the same problem

Originally posted by Arbiter of mediocrity:

I cool my 13700kf with a cheap arctic freezer 36 and yes the 14700kf is a good CPU. Problem is that intel never bothered to fix the ongoing degradation of raptor-lake. Which means you have to go into bios and lock all cores or experience the same problem

thats because there is no magic 'fix'
adjusting those settings can make the cpu last longer, but its still silicon lottery
you never know how much each cpu is effected, or when it is effected til its too late

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by Arbiter of mediocrity:

I cool my 13700kf with a cheap arctic freezer 36 and yes the 14700kf is a good CPU. Problem is that intel never bothered to fix the ongoing degradation of raptor-lake. Which means you have to go into bios and lock all cores or experience the same problem

thats because there is no magic 'fix'
adjusting those settings can make the cpu last longer, but its still silicon lottery
you never know how much each cpu is effected, or when it is effected til its too late

The cause is the crazy voltages they were re ur in at stock, it's why the issue was such a surprise to those who overclock as we had all protected ourselves from it without realising.

Though, Intel will replace any degraded 13th/ 14th gen chips so thats good atleast.

isnt that they fixed the problems after 1 year ? not just with the microcode but

they make newer fixed 14th gen they dont got those problems.

Amd is good yeah on cpu side espacially

they COSTLY. espacially those x3d chips costs like a fortune.

i mean they best choice they know this

So they not holding back about the price thats why i dislike AMD in CPU side im sorry.

i use gpu AMD because NVIDIA also expensive. also they force 8gb vrams. lmao

I'd go in and atleast lower the voltages to be safe, though you do have a warranty should anything go wrong in a couple years which will snag you a new chip :)

Originally posted by bythelee:

isnt that they fixed the problems after 1 year ? not just with the microcode but

they make newer fixed 14th gen they dont got those problems.

I don't think it's fully fixed by BIOS alone but tons of people report no problems on tuned CPUs where they manually lock cores and set their own voltage.

Here is a very recent test comparing two intel CPUs vs newest 9800x3D. All 3 are tuned with some of the best RAM configuration.

https://youtu.be/-5pyLavnlsY?si=2W1jP26Nir7ZVBm-

It's shocking to me how an older 14900k on a much worse node can compete with a 4nm node and 3D cache. 14700k is very close to 14900k in gaming performance.

If you have to lower voltages, you will lose performance, thousands of points in the CPU benchmarks. Maybe that's better than killing the CPU after a few years but it's still an annoying situation because you're basically cutting down the performance that you should have and you paid for.

I generally don't have anything against Intel, all of my main builds are Intel but I have to ask; at that point why not go with less powerful CPU that is stable if you're going to lose performance anyway?

And yes BIOS updates are important. If you don't want to do it yourself, you can often take your computer to a technician that will and they'll do it quickly and safely for $15-30. Some of them may have a guarantee that if it for any reason bricks the mobo, they'll replace it.

Originally posted by Dom:

If you have to lower voltages, you will lose performance, thousands of points in the CPU benchmarks. Maybe that's better than killing the CPU after a few years but it's still an annoying situation because you're basically cutting down the performance that you should have and you paid for.

I generally don't have anything against Intel, all of my main builds are Intel but I have to ask; at that point why not go with less powerful CPU that is stable if you're going to lose performance anyway?

And yes BIOS updates are important. If you don't want to do it yourself, you can often take your computer to a technician that will and they'll do it quickly and safely for $15-30. Some of them may have a guarantee that if it for any reason bricks the mobo, they'll replace it.

voltage only effects stability, not performance

higher core voltage = more stable and more heat
lower core voltage = less stable and less heat
thats it, no more

with the effected intel cpus, higher core voltage will degrade the cpu faster
if the core voltage can be lowered with no stability loss, its fine, no performance loss at all

if it loses stability, then underclocking, by lowering the bclk/fsb or cpu multi or limiting turbo/boost will get some stability back at the cost of performance

Originally posted by bythelee:

Amd is good yeah on cpu side espacially

they COSTLY. espacially those x3d chips costs like a fortune.

i mean they best choice they know this

So they not holding back about the price thats why i dislike AMD in CPU side im sorry.

i use gpu AMD because NVIDIA also expensive. also they force 8gb vrams. lmao

I laugh every time I hear this. You can get the best gaming chip on the market, a 9800x3d right now for $420ish! That's is NOT expensive for the best gaming chip. It's actually super affordable. Are there cheaper good gaming cpus? Of course but $420 for top of the line for gaming is certainly not a fortune. It was not that long ago when Intel was the top gaming chip you would pay well over double that for it.

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by Dom:

If you have to lower voltages, you will lose performance, thousands of points in the CPU benchmarks. Maybe that's better than killing the CPU after a few years but it's still an annoying situation because you're basically cutting down the performance that you should have and you paid for.

I generally don't have anything against Intel, all of my main builds are Intel but I have to ask; at that point why not go with less powerful CPU that is stable if you're going to lose performance anyway?

And yes BIOS updates are important. If you don't want to do it yourself, you can often take your computer to a technician that will and they'll do it quickly and safely for $15-30. Some of them may have a guarantee that if it for any reason bricks the mobo, they'll replace it.

voltage only effects stability, not performance

higher core voltage = more stable and more heat
lower core voltage = less stable and less heat
thats it, no more

with the effected intel cpus, higher core voltage will degrade the cpu faster
if the core voltage can be lowered with no stability loss, its fine, no performance loss at all

if it loses stability, then underclocking, by lowering the bclk/fsb or cpu multi or limiting turbo/boost will get some stability back at the cost of performance

It affects performance. If you run a CPU benchmark where you boost the CPU to 100% with and without voltage limits, you get a lower score at the end with the voltage (Intel) limits enabled.

There are plenty of videos about this but here's just one clip (from 14 minutes forward):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EW5lRIZYc&t=839s

It's been demonstrated numerous times that voltage limits reduce performance.

In most daily use cases people will not see this difference, however if you are rendering 4K videos or other projects on your CPU, doing a lot of heavy tasks that push your CPU to its max, it will (objectively) be slower to complete those tasks with voltage limits enabled.