With such RAM speed the 9800x3D will run circles around 285K in games.

If you want to go with Intel for gaming you need to invest into a fast RAM, fast mobo, good 320mm or 420mm AIO and learn how to tune your CPU. And even then it will lose to stock 9800x3D or tuned 14900k or 13900k.

285K is not a bad CPU and generally plenty fast for everything but not necessarily the best for gaming.

since you picked a board for the intel ultra cpus, that really narrowed down the choices to intel ultra cpus

honestly for a new build, i would go amd
or wait until the next gen of intel u series
when they will ditch the e cores and make add more or faster p cores

Originally posted by _I_:

since you picked a board for the intel ultra cpus, that really narrowed down the choices to intel ultra cpus

honestly for a new build, i would go amd
or wait until the next gen of intel u series
when they will ditch the e cores and make add more or faster p cores

Yeah i want to wait, but my PC is possible Death, and my backup is ancient at this point, Running on Win10.

what about changing to a
MSI B850 Gaming plus Wifi motherboard
Ryzen 9 9950X3D


If compatible...

Originally posted by Xamurai:

potentional parts for new PC

case: North XL - Mesh Charcoal Black
MSI Mag Z890 WIFI
Noctua NH D15 G2
Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL30 2025
Pure Power 12 M 1000 Watt
GeForce RTX 5090 32G VENTUS 3X OC

But i struggle if i go with "Core Ultra 9 285K"
I hear it's very bad?

If you are gaming, go AMD with the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. You will need an AMD motherboard obviously. If you want the best of the best, then get the Ryzen 9 9950X3D.

Originally posted by Xamurai:

Originally posted by _I_:

since you picked a board for the intel ultra cpus, that really narrowed down the choices to intel ultra cpus

honestly for a new build, i would go amd
or wait until the next gen of intel u series
when they will ditch the e cores and make add more or faster p cores

Yeah i want to wait, but my PC is possible Death, and my backup is ancient at this point, Running on Win10.

what about changing to a
MSI B850 Gaming plus Wifi motherboard
Ryzen 9 9950X3D


If compatible...

The 9800x3D is generally better for gaming due to a single CCD vs dual CCD with different clocks and different cache memory between them on the 9950x3D. Well, the 9950x3D is the same in gaming as 9800x3D at best and potentially problematic, slower, hotter, power hungry.

The 9800x3D is just plug and play and it's the fastest stock gaming CPU on the market.

If you can afford it, and the RTX 5090 implies you can, the 9800XD is simply the fastest choice. It stands alone, being analogous to the RTX 5090 of the CPU world. The 7800X3D is slower but a better value (being a good analogy to the RTX 4090 being the old fastest, and current second fastest).

It's hard to suggest something other than AM5 right now, especially if you have a higher budget.

LGA 1700 is older and Raptor Lake had issues with remaining concerns. I wouldn't buy into it in 2025.

LGA 1851 is newer, but not better than Raptor Lake in gaming (even if you throw expensive RAM at it, and it gets worse for it if you don't) and is most likely a one and done socket (refreshes aside which won't be "new").

AM5 houses the best gaming options by far and still has at least one future generation coming, and it might bring core count (and core per CCD) increases. The extra future options won't matter if you plan to just do a new build every 4 to 6 years because anything out now won't be current by that pont, but even if that isn't a concern, if you have money, AM5 is the best choice right now.

Where Intel becomes more viable is when a more limited budget comes into play. In particular, some Alder Lake CPUs (12600KF/12700KFin particular) or some Arrow Lake CPUs (245K/265K in particular) are decent value alternatives, especially if you factor in performance beyond gaming. But even in limited budget scenarios, AM5 has a lot of compelling advantages for people who don't just do complete system builds every 4 to 6 years. You can get a 7500F (or whatever is the best value entry level AM5 CPU as of present) and consider a Zen 6 option in a number of years for a big uplift. LGA 1700/1851 won't offer you that. Intel's next platform isn't until a ways off.

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Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

If you can afford it, and the RTX 5090 implies you can, the 9800XD is simply the fastest choice. It stands alone, being analogous to the RTX 5090 of the CPU world. The 7800X3D is slower but a better value (being a good analogy to the RTX 4090 being the old fastest, and current second fastest)..

You asumed correct. However i have a limit, i don't want to cross. i can save a bit of money on some small parts like SSD's, Memory since i have some lingering around. I can go for "the best" for each part. However cheap out on GPU. the GeForce RTX 5090 32G VENTUS 3X OC is great deal(to me). other versions of the 5090 are like +800€ more expensive. I don't think its worht it.

I always had the Intel-Nvidea combo. I am creature of habit so i always did stick with them. I am always scared for the unknown. These AMD numbers and letter scheme means nothing to me..
Nvidea, i understand. So Intel. But know i was searching for parts i noticed (flabbergasted really) How bad Intel CPU's are Ultra Core 9. So i feel a bit forced to go the AMD route..

I think i am sure what GPU, SSD, Memory i will have. But i am clueless about Motherboards and AMD.
Depending on the choice i will decide what cooling it will be.
I will wait 1 month or 2....to think about it.

Originally posted by Xamurai:

However cheap out on GPU. the GeForce RTX 5090 32G VENTUS 3X OC is great deal(to me).

I have the same GPU, bought it at launch and it's been great, runs cool and quiet and has been solid as a rock, I do have a really good case for air flow though to help, here is my full spec for reference.

Antec Flux PRO
MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK
Ryzen 9800X3D + CM ML360 ATMOS with Phanteks T30 Fans
MSI Ventus RTX™ 5090 32GB
Corsair Vengeance 64GB 6000MHz CL30
1TB Crucial T700 Pro Gen5 + 2TB Crucial T700 Pro Gen5 +
2TB Crucial P310 Gen4 + 4TB Crucial P3 Gen3 + 2x8TB HD
1200W ASUS ROG Platinum

Only thing I would change as they released after I built it is the T700 drives to T705's and the memory from CL30 to CL28.

Hmm was looking into Corsair Vengeance 64GB 6000MHz CL30
MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK too

I can go without RGB. and ratther have some more USB's compared to B850.

I had once a Antec case. Don't know the model but a cheap black box. Its only feature was simplicity. It was my first PC with some decent power. It held a whopping 2x8ram and a GTX 970.
The whole PC cost was like 1600€. It doesn't even cover my GPU today The Pc Still being used today. Its over 10 years old.

Either 9800X3D or wait for Intel's Nova Lake (LGA1954)

You'll want a 9800x3d over Intel unless you enjoy tweaking, you'll also need to spend more on a mobo, memory and cooling, the upside is reduced frequency of 1 and 0.1% lows, at the cost of lower max fps, time, money and effort, AMD is plug and play, fast and only wants 6000MHz memory with as low a latency as you can get your hands on.

Sugestion for the Motherboard?

Originally posted by Xamurai:

Sugestion for the Motherboard?

Since you are going all out, might as well get a X870E motherboard.

Originally posted by gwwak:

Originally posted by Xamurai:

Sugestion for the Motherboard?

Since you are going all out, might as well get a X870E motherboard.

do you mean the Mag Tomahawk or the MPG Carbon

Originally posted by Xamurai:

Originally posted by gwwak:

Since you are going all out, might as well get a X870E motherboard.

do you mean the Mag Tomahawk or the MPG Carbon

Either should be fine at least from a VRM/ power perspective. Just make sure it has the connectivity you want, since you mentioned wanting plenty of USB ports.