Humanity is doomed anyway, so why bother?

Even if you could somehow eliminate ownership of things, people would still not be equal. Some would still be smarter, more knowledgeable, stronger, faster, more agile, better swimmers, etc.

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

Will humans ever truly be equal as long as we can own things? There are always going to be people with things others don't have, making them unequal.

Will we have to share everything and own nothing to finally have equality?

Ok, Comrade Stalin

I was going to go with Mao but yea, no.

That is what communism tried to do. Didnt work out so well, lets just say that doctors were not too happy to be getting paid the same amount of money as a factory worker.

And nobody is going to work for free.

"Property" has a much more narrow meaning in socialism than it does in capitalism, referring specifically to resources of importance to the public good: roads, mines, farmlands, industries, utilities, that sort of thing.

Is it good for a society to allow lone individuals to exercise control over resources depended on by all? No. But it wouldn't be all that good, either, to prohibit people from possessing the goods they fancy. If one person has a fast car, and another has a diamond necklace... this is not a problem. One cannot oppress another with a necklace. The same cannot be said of the sweatshop owner who pays peanuts and makes his workers work long hours under unsafe conditions, purely because he has capital, they need access to his capital to make a living, and that gives him power over them.

I didn't know Karl Marx had a Steam account.

I didn't want to drag politics into this, but i guess it was inevitable. Makes me realize that all the talk of equality by politicians is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Even in communist countries you had leaders with more than everyone else.

It's just a pipe dream used to get votes from people.

Originally posted by Eri:

I didn't know Karl Marx had a Steam account.

Lol. Freshmen education, gotta love it!

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

It's just a pipe dream used to get votes from people.

Right, nobody can ever really be equal. At least not for a while, anyway. So there is your answer.

Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:

I didn't want to drag politics into this, but i guess it was inevitable. Makes me realize that all the talk of equality by politicians is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Even in communist countries you had leaders with more than everyone else.

It's just a pipe dream used to get votes from people.

You're the guy from he "desire is the cause of all suffering" aren't you?

Like another guy said in this thread, we will all always be different. People will be smarter and stronger and sometimes just dumb and weak. In paper, what you say sounds good. "When everyone works together for the common good, everyone can be equal and live a happy life! YAYY!"

But it's not possible in this world.

And even if it were, I personally wouldn't like that. This may sound crazy but, it's not fair to treat everyone equally, no matter how much of that gets drilled into your mind by schools and the media. Some people are willing to work harder, or are just naturally smarter. Of course people with actual disabilities such as the elderly and disabled should be helped, but the dream of a perfect communist utopia will remain that. Just a dream.

There's never going to be a time where all humans are truly equal. That would imply that every single human being would have the exact same benefits and flaws.

Originally posted by Balance 4 Pyro>Weapons 4 Heavy:

People will be smarter and stronger and sometimes just dumb and weak.

People can improve themselves, within reason. But if they believe it's all genetics they won't even try.

All my life i've heard politicans from everywhere on the political spectrum promising equality and no one accused them of being communist. The US is even supposed to be founded on the notion of equality. It's just a weird revelation for me.

No, and thank God for that.

Where do you live? I'll come over and pick up some nice things you can share with me for the next year?