Originally posted by hurq:

Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond.

Originally posted by hurq:

I dislike how " military " is hyped. Especially in U.S society. (Rant thread).

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by hurq:

I dislike how " military " is hyped. Especially in U.S society. (Rant thread).

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

.OP claims to dislike how " military " is hyped. Especially in U.S society.... plays War Thunder and other military games... then says "don't bother trolling".

O.k. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Originally posted by tiny E:

I'm an extreme pacifist who has always harbored reservations about the armed forces, but I cannot even begin to express how totally full of ♥♥♥♥ you are.

It's almost impressive.

And I took the liberty of passing this thread on to a few actual vets (I seriously doubt you even served in the Salvation Army) and I'll be curious to get their reactions.

Originally posted by Dracoco OwO:

Glorified military service is not something exclusive to USA and i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate the military in general, they are no better than Mercs.

Originally posted by Gumball v2:

Propaganda to get people signed up for the military, what else is new? Nowadays they're using pretty women to lure in imbeciles to serve. albeit I think it's always been a good and used strategy.

Originally posted by Gumball v2:

Originally posted by hurq:

You are right and I have not said that. As a westerner, its just something I " especially " notice in the US.

Countries such as Russia, Kazakhstan, China or Ukraine have the same issue.





It is propaganda. But why the hell do people repeat this propaganda and even proudly say good bye when their one and only son goes to the military and then to Iraq or Afghanistan ?

I would never even allow my child to join up the military of a non-neutral country in the first place.

Because propaganda is influential, and it's not hard to see why this happens when we've all been indoctrinated to be patriotic and hate the enemy by our schools, and in our parents case, that's achieved through them consuming the media. The world is built on smoke and mirrors, deception and lies, it's hard to know what's true and what isn't when all you see is the fake side.

Originally posted by Triple G:

Hmm - didn´t You say in the other thread, that it´s nice to see the AfD winning? They´re for a stronger military, more investments into it, an own military instead of an EU one, more patriotism, more nationalism, etc...

They basically support anything which You write against here. For freedom of course - and to protect German interests and German identification.

I mean that was Your answer after i have asked why You think the forums may be seen as negative by You. As somehow what You say in one thread is the opposite of what You say in another thread. Now for the second time...

Oh - and i´m not screaming, i calmly write my impression of what i see, because i´m curious how this can be. Perhaps i find it a bit funny even...

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

As a wise man said:

“He who joyfully marches to music rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.”

Originally posted by hurq:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

As a wise man said:

“He who joyfully marches to music rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.”

Who exactly said this ?!

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Originally posted by hurq:

Who exactly said this ?!

Herr Einstein.

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Originally posted by hurq:

Who exactly said this ?!

Herr Einstein.

Originally posted by hurq:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Herr Einstein.

Ah Yeah. It sounded familiar but I read the quotes in German only.

Originally posted by Raelic:

I don't really care what a foreigner thinks of the US military. Frankly, it's only your business when we make it your business.

That's point number 1.

Point number 2, you don't know how our military is designed. Like much of the US culture and adulthood it is easy to participate and be a part of. But you can also excel and challenge yourself in our military. You don't have to stay enlisted unless you want to.

Military service also comes with the GI bill that will pay for your college you already took or are going to take.

Point 3, it's weird you bring up Stolen Valor in all that vitriol. Veterans have benefits in our society. Benefits they deserve even if you don't like it. If someone fakes that status to elevate themselves with a lie, that should be ridiculed. Just don't lie and you'll be safe from humiliation. It's not a tall bar to achieve.