Originally posted by Houseman:

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

... which is hard to grasp because like... how do you get that much wealth without doing some unethical things along the way in order to get there? ...

The question itself is the argument from ignorance fallacy. You don't know how these billionaires are unethical. You're asking, "how aren't they?" You're assuming they're unethical to begin with, without any evidence.

That's incorrect but interesting reasoning.

I've already put forth a counter-example (right in the unedited OP, for god's sake) and accepted the one that Joe shared, so, no I'm not assuming that they all are, and in regards to the quote that you highlighted, I'm pointing out the line of reasoning that can get people to make said assumption that you're referring to -- and there's examples of similar assumptions being correct, or at least useful.

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For example, the only way to get a trillion times a trillion stamps in the world by the end of the next decade, is to do something like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdVC4e6EV4

I've seen people say that people die when they get shot, which is technically incorrect since plenty of people have been shot and survived yet if the statement wasn't more than 50% correct, you'd expect there to be something akin to amusement park rides where masochistic thrill-seekers would line up to get shot for the experience.
The statement, "people die when they get shot" is technically incorrect due to being only sometimes true and yet it's a pretty useful explanation, albeit a slightly inaccurate one.

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

I have heard that there's no ethical billionaires, and there's a lot to support this claim but apparently Taylor Swift is a billionaire and the most unethical thing that I know of that she does is use a private jet, which is bad for the environment but isn't exactly denying people healthcare or getting employees killed in warehouses through unsafe working conditions so...

I think maybe she acts as a decent counter-example to the general sentiment of the claim, no?

Discuss the concept further.
I want more to consider on this subject matter.

Gabe Newell.

Though I do wish he'd pay more attention to who's handling the day-to-day running of the customers' online community that he's sponsoring.

this. its rare but its possible. you can probably count them on your hands.

i think the music industry is a terrible example because of all the stuff related to them there are to many things that go wrong if you arent selected. taylor swift was very much selected.

Musk buying Twitter is a great example of an ethical billionaire.

Originally posted by veracsthane:

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i think the music industry is a terrible example because of all the stuff related to them there are to many things that go wrong if you arent selected. taylor swift was very much selected.

Wouldn't that make the unethical people those who cherrypicked her, rather than her, herself?

Originally posted by kbiz:

Musk buying Twitter is a great example of an ethical billionaire.

Setting aside the fact that how he handled Twitter was very much not ethical and had plenty of stock manipulation going on - what make someone ethical isn't really that they did something ethical once, but rather that they don't do unethical things on a regular basis or on purpose, in particular, severely unethical things.

Originally posted by kbiz:

Musk buying Twitter is a great example of an ethical billionaire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3YTDHRTQQ

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Originally posted by kbiz:

Musk buying Twitter is a great example of an ethical billionaire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3YTDHRTQQ

unfortunately, that poster is very serious.

to ethical people, an ethical billionaire is one who uses their wealth to help others. not someone who buys a social media platform and bans anyone who is mean to him.

Originally posted by salamander:

unfortunately, that poster is very serious.

Talking about me? Let's talk about Musk.

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Originally posted by veracsthane:

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i think the music industry is a terrible example because of all the stuff related to them there are to many things that go wrong if you arent selected. taylor swift was very much selected.

Wouldn't that make the unethical people those who cherrypicked her, rather than her, herself?

my point is with Taylor swift most people will tell you any thin blonde who cries about her ex boyfriends would do. thats how being selected works you met what ever arbitrary requirement.

it was both to point out what you said here* and that im not sure someone who was selected and became a billionaire did so* ethically. most people who do things ethically dont break the billionaire part.

edit in man these typos...

But yeah, Musk broke the leftist strangle-hold on the media.

Originally posted by kbiz:

But yeah, Musk broke the leftist strangle-hold on the media.

yes but on if he is ethical or not there is a laundry list of problems with elon. the thing that promoted him to buy twitter was them destroying his son and trying to censor him and revenge isnt really that ethical. its not the only issue as far as ethics go.

ethical
adjective
eth·​i·​cal ˈe-thi-kəl How to pronounce ethical (audio)
variants or less commonly ethic
ˈe-thik How to pronounce ethical (audio)
Synonyms of ethicalnext
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription

i have no idea why they waste time with number 4 but meh. ethical drugs is an oxymoron these days. most drugs are more poison then cure and being a doctor prescription doesn't really change it if you ask me.

It's all a big larp, that's why no billionaire or whatever such as Ghislaine's best friend Elon Musk has held the world at ransom yet, with the fake news known as nukes, or other CGI-backed claims.

Yup.

probably the person closest to being an "ethical billionare" is probably gabe newell -- he *does* seem to give a ♥♥♥♥ about the platform he created and seems to want players to have a fun time

even then he should be taxed to high heavens, you simply cannot be a billionaire or multi-hundred millionaire without having power imbalance issues among other people in a system where capital triumphs all

i think anyone can survive with like 10 million

ethical in a positive sense implies no one was harmed and no kind of nepotism/bais was involved

unioncily gabe and steam are the only ones coming to mind

-Ethics, the philosophical discipline concerned with what is morally good and bad and morally right and wrong.

one action being ethically good doesnt mean the person themselves is ethically good it means they where ehtically good that one time. a billionaire is a person not a persons single action. so maybe swift also counts* depsite the other issues.

edit in and i missed a vow

Originally posted by veracsthane:

Originally posted by kbiz:

But yeah, Musk broke the leftist strangle-hold on the media.

yes but on if he is ethical or not there is a laundry list of problems with elon.

Okay, but what Elon did to stop the censorship and the narrative is almost as good as his self-driving vehicles, global network, and rockets.

Musk is a good guy.

A better question is why you think poor people are ethical.

Or your "academics" who live off the debt of the young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEc4YbQQX0

https://youtu.be/j5bLXPzuBiU