The shortest possible answer due to a wide array of complexities is yes.

Unless someone is in a category that is likely to continue offending then they have paid their penalty.

If it was sports and they threw a flag, then march off the yards and move on to the next down.

We cannot just arbitrarily just continue to tack on more yards just because of who it is.

If it is a 5, 10, or 15 yard penalty then that is where we move it back, blow the whistle and move on to the next down- unless there is something obvious and radical preventing us from doing so.

In times like this, case-by-case.

Since Bush and Obama, US federal law enforcement has become the world's running punch line, and this considering global law enforcement is another false-hope idea.

What're the re-offending rates of ex-felons again? punishments should be a million times more severe

Once a person has served their time they should have all rights restored to them. This doesn't mean ones history is magically erased after serving time, and an no person can not do a background check to find out if you were a felon at one time. You would have to as a society find a balance between hiring discrimination and the rights of a company to hire based on certain standards they implement.

applying a normal persons view of morality onto criminals is so dumb imo, not everyone is the same

Their criminal past still sticks with them even in job interviews etc so i guess it technically already exists

death penalty should apply for any crime small or big. break the law and die.

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Title says it all.

I’m not talking about people on parole or someone on a s** offender list. I’m talking about people who already paid their dues to society and is officially a free person. For example an ex-felon cannot buy a gun because they think it will be too dangerous. But what do you guys think?

Edit: What about jobs? Should ex-felons be discriminated when it comes to finding a job?

For me I believe if did your time and truly became a good person then you should be allowed to do everything (that is legal of course).

its not a Yes or No Answer, as although some politicians like to pretend its simple "good people", "bad people" the reality is far more complex.

What is needed is utter and total reform of the prison service as the (essentially) Victorian system we still subscribe to proveably doesn't work.

it is, however, very, very profitable for the companies that run and staff our prisons who *dont* want it to change.

Originally posted by hehexd:

What're the re-offending rates of ex-felons again? punishments should be a million times more severe

withholding their rights after they are freed from prison is exactly what causes these rates

Yes. For all of them. If you were deemed safe enough to be let out of prison, then you're safe enough to have all your rights back. Otherwise why even release them at all?

I dont support any kind of discrimination, equal opportunity for all (not equal rights for all, huge difference)

I have met with prisoners who broke criminal law, some of them already spend half of their life in prison, some of them will be spending the rest of their life in prison,

are they the people who paid a heavy price for the good and bad that the public trying to uphold, because their behavior contradict with it.

and what about the good and bad that the public has been trying to uphold? has it been contradicting itself and changing itself over the years? I dont know it very well, and I am not worried that one day me murdering robbing stealing from others could somehow become acceptable towards victim and police.

in the average city, it takes about 10 minutes for police to get to the scene of emergency call,

that's the good that they have been having,

I think I have lost myself and derailed the conversation.

in short, he must not have lots of friends or a job that he could accept, if the ex criminal has to rely on the public acceptance,

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Title says it all.

I’m not talking about people on parole or someone on a s** offender list. I’m talking about people who already paid their dues to society and is officially a free person. For example an ex-felon cannot buy a gun because they think it will be too dangerous. But what do you guys think?

Edit: What about jobs? Should ex-felons be discriminated when it comes to finding a job?

For me I believe if did your time and truly became a good person then you should be allowed to do everything (that is legal of course).

its not a Yes or No Answer, as although some politicians like to pretend its simple "good people", "bad people" the reality is far more complex.

What is needed is utter and total reform of the prison service as the (essentially) Victorian system we still subscribe to proveably doesn't work.

it is, however, very, very profitable for the companies that run and staff our prisons who *dont* want it to change.

Why are you bringing in legal theory which has nothing to do with the US justice system? You specifically mentioned 'felons'; US legal term, and the Victorian model; Commonwealth Law. ('Felon' was influenced from French legal authority)

Your response confuses me. It looks like you have more an issue with the corporatism of it all. I think most of us do. Here though, you seem to be just bunching Commonwealth and US Federal law together without any real understanding of it, and you're overcomplicating the issue.

Firstly, the USA's criminal justice system was remarkably different than the Victorian Model, so much so other Commonwealth nations like Canada and Australia wrote specific principles in their Charters to copy the USA's model. Canada's Sect 7, 'Oakes test'; Sect 25 in Ausralia, etc...

'In dubio pro reo', or 'Innocent until proven guilty', never originally existed in the Victorian Model, not even after Sir Robert Peel's reforms, but was one of the fundamental bases of the US Dept of Justice. As stated, it was added later due to US influence in Commonwealth nations.

I feel like most would not want to re-enter prison so they would likely not want to abuse their rights when getting out

But i also feel like prisons around the world don't really do their due diligence enough when rehabilitating people.

If the prisons had better systems in place for having individuals reacclimate to life outside it might be better

Originally posted by the vampire of time and memory:

Originally posted by hehexd:

What're the re-offending rates of ex-felons again? punishments should be a million times more severe

withholding their rights after they are freed from prison is exactly what causes these rates

Is that a joke? 'society wont accept me like my abusive mama or papa didnt so ill hurt them wahh wahh!' some people dont care about life, and prison ISNT a consequence considering an animal minded creature is getting food water and shelter