It's just the cultural mood right now. Authority is the object of suspicion, rebellion is idealized, religious orthodoxy is out of fashion.

Originally posted by Messy:

Why does every media have the habit of making Lucifer "le misunderstood le good guy". As a Christian, I'd like more evil Lucifer representation. Im not against nuances, it was clever the first 6 times.

If you agree, that we also should see more representations of god as a genocidal prick, sure.

Originally posted by Stingray_tm:

Originally posted by Messy:

Why does every media have the habit of making Lucifer "le misunderstood le good guy". As a Christian, I'd like more evil Lucifer representation. Im not against nuances, it was clever the first 6 times.

If you agree, that we also should see more representations of god as a genocidal prick, sure.

This is why Trump won all swing states

We only have the story from God's POV and God reads more like an abusive antagonist.

1. creates Adam (in his own image) without the knowledge of good and evil
   
2. tells Adam don't eat of the tree of knowledge
   
3. creates Eve
   
4. Eve also doesn't have knowledge of good and evil
   
5. Eve didn't hear God's warning to Adam
   
6. Eve eats from the tree after a serpent persuaded her to
   
7. Eve gets Adam to eat from the tree
   
8. God's solution: punish all of humanity
   
9. btw God loves you

And that lunacy is only the beginning.

Lucifer is narcissism basically
or dissociality if you prefer the icd-11
Christians tend to call him the devil, copying the various writers of the bible. I don't think god ever called him that. I'm not that knowledgable on biblic lore though, but it would be odd for prophets to call Lucifer devil as well.

Another flavored term is evil, right? Why is Lucifer evil?
All he did was seek a kind of change, change that casted him out of heaven and caused his fall.
As one of the closest cherubs to God, he should know that he cannot compete, but he thought he could or at least take over the role, due to admiration of himself, and the validation he received basically. (it's really narcissism lol)

Oddly enough, but then again-- its not that odd, he was followed by other angels downward. Narcissist tend to be admired and very charismatic, even though they have no problem replacing you and all they want is power and to be admired basically.

Instead of a devil, or demon or whatever (because they reside in hell, or pergatory, which ever variant of the story you folllow, .... or the lowest circle if you take the fan-fiction and comedy works based on it seriously)
they're all still angels. I don't know what else resides in there, but Lucifer is still a cherub.
And angels can change forms-- I mean we know cherubs for example had a bunch of wings and glowed too much, as wel as having wheels filled with lots of eyeballs in their true form.
Angels kinda look like monsters basically, so- that wouldn't really change.

It is weird to think about at least.

So, why is there now even a war between heaven and hell (fight between angels)? We're a man-in-the-middle as well; why would angels from either side bother us, who have been marked "sinner" by God due to something we didn't even do, but the first humans did.
We're blamed for things, and basically abandoned till we find the right path, so in a way, we're similarly in a victim position to Lucifer. It makes no sense for Lucifer or fallen angels to influence us; yet those claims exist.

What is Evil to god?
I mean, we can see what we find evil, but to God, that is a difficult one, since he made everything.

And maybe Lucifer is in a similar position as well, slowly bettering themselves over time and that they might reach heaven again at some point. idk.

Lucifer has poisoned the minds of many people. I hope Jesus returns soon.

Technically, God finds defying his Holiness, Evil.
Holiness, is a type of seperatedness.
The only way to defy God's holiness as such would be to actually be able to replace them. Therefore the phrase contradicts itself.

The only way Lucifer would be evil in the eye of god, is if he lies about his capabilities, and about what he is-- thus in a case where Lucifer would actually meet face to face on equal power (or that he has the ability to approach this); in that case, Lucifer would be Evil to god.

This is why I doubt God finds Lucifer Evil. Not to mention, God created Lucifer; it makes no sense.

Another way you can think about it, is if Lucifer could create a God to replace God, that would make Lucifer Evil in the eye of God.

Edit: Just saying, I might be wrong on everything I said here and in my other post.
I mean, something else may be going on entirely.

well if u actualy read the bible lucifer wasnt completly evil, he rebelled against god, he didnt like being told what to do and thought he knew better and was punished for it, many angels were

after that in the lore after the war or uprising against god, army of angels vs angels, which he lost and god won, he became very evil full of rage and will never forgive or accept forgivness

the lord god will always forgive, lucifer does not seek forgivness

and aparently lucifer doesnt get to be forgiven by god because he was an angel, i dont like that interpritation tho

he did not start out evil but yes now lucifer is completely evil and rejects forgiveness even if he could be forgiven, which he might not get offered to him because he was an angel which some interitations mean god doesnt offer the same forgivness to angels because they were personaly created by him, so they shoulda known better? i duno its wierd for me circle talk, but yea i think god would forgive him

Who funds the movies?

Religion being fictitious means that anything goes when it comes to storytelling.

Originally posted by redeyes:

well if u actualy read the bible lucifer wasnt completly evil, he rebelled against god and was punished for it many angels were

after that in the lore after the war or uprising against god he became very evil full of rage and will never forgive or accept forgivness

the lord god will always forgive, lucifer does not seek forgivness

This might be a weird thought:

The very first thing God did in his known carreer as God, was "he created"; he didn't just create anything, he created the entire universe in the way it is.

In other words, our world goes against the natural order. From the perspective of whatever was there before our world, from the perspective of the world of God, he destroyed the order that was there. God, from that perspective, is Evil.

God, the being, without the world he made, has only a God to pray to, but not a God to be.

Since god existed before everything else, something created God; a god beyond. I'm saying he took over that role, basically. Who knows, he might have created himself somehow, but whatever he was before he created himself, is not the same god that made the universe and obtains all abilities surrounding that universe. (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.)

Maybe because Lucifer isn't evil? Rebelling against a genocidal totalitarian dictator who enjoys causing suffering to show off that people will still worship him no matter what he does isn't evil.

When you dont know what aseity means...

Originally posted by Elucidator:

Originally posted by redeyes:

well if u actualy read the bible lucifer wasnt completly evil, he rebelled against god and was punished for it many angels were

after that in the lore after the war or uprising against god he became very evil full of rage and will never forgive or accept forgivness

the lord god will always forgive, lucifer does not seek forgivness

This might be a weird thought:

The very first thing God did in his known carreer as God, was "he created"; he didn't just create anything, he created the entire universe in the way it is.

In other words, our world goes against the natural order. From the perspective of whatever was there before our world, from the perspective of the world of God, he destroyed the order that was there. God, from that perspective, is Evil.

God, the being, without the world he made, has only a God to pray to, but not a God to be.

Since god existed before everything else, something created God; a god beyond. I'm saying he took over that role, basically. Who knows, he might have created himself somehow, but whatever he was before he created himself, is not the same god that made the universe and obtains all abilities surrounding that universe. (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.)

very interesting but i dont know anything, im agnostic, i dont know anything for sure, i would hope tho god is good

Originally posted by Elucidator:

Originally posted by redeyes:

well if u actualy read the bible lucifer wasnt completly evil, he rebelled against god and was punished for it many angels were

after that in the lore after the war or uprising against god he became very evil full of rage and will never forgive or accept forgivness

the lord god will always forgive, lucifer does not seek forgivness

This might be a weird thought:

The very first thing God did in his known carreer as God, was "he created"; he didn't just create anything, he created the entire universe in the way it is.

In other words, our world goes against the natural order. From the perspective of whatever was there before our world, from the perspective of the world of God, he destroyed the order that was there. God, from that perspective, is Evil.

God, the being, without the world he made, has only a God to pray to, but not a God to be.

Since god existed before everything else, something created God; a god beyond. I'm saying he took over that role, basically. Who knows, he might have created himself somehow, but whatever he was before he created himself, is not the same god that made the universe and obtains all abilities surrounding that universe. (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.)

or maybe it was an act of pure love, god couldn't have been god if he didn't create all of this, like in a way he created himself, also you're just assuming creation is evil and goes against the natural order but on this planet there's nothing unnatural or evil about a mother giving birth to her child. its all about perspective tbh