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ideal number of kids : 3-5
(enough to be above replacement level but not numbers into the insane)
yes society is failing bigtime.. the norm should be for woman have 3 kids before your 26.
(at least to the point we have a borthrate above 2.1 but below 2.4 society wide)
which with 3 kids per woman before 26 as the somewhat norm is doable..
reality is now woman have on average their first child at 31 (with many more birth defects as a result) and also causing to the high infertility rate.. they start just to late with attempting.. resulting in a extermination birthrate thats now 1.4 but is dropping fast (it was still 1.9 a decade ago..so expect it to drop perhaps below 1 if trends continue)
it is the main reason why native dutch are expected to become the minority in our own nation before 2060.. and while we totally should stop immigration.. this is only economicly viable if we get the birthrate back up.
other nations in europe suffer similair or worse birthrates.. like some are already at 1.1 birthrate.. and even the best nations are at 1.8...
so ALL are not having the number of births we need.
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if we not want to lower the legal marriage age back to 16 like it used to be until a few years ago and I believe it still is 15 in france.
at least we should have womans average marriage age return to 18-21.. which still gives enough time in her fertile window to have 3 kids.. while thats old enouh to be mature mentally as well as have completed some education.
-> still I do think woman should be encouraged to get kids after highschool and after than go get their degree.. for if we wait until they completed they college/bachalor/master/phd they are often already late 20s aka past ideal childage.
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if you still want woman to work.. that means society should be aranged in a way being in school while having education is financially viable and the norm.
until not that long ago it was common females of 18-21 married man of 23-27.. aka man who already gotten just their first real job after graduating or who have had a decade working the trades to have a decent income./
the issue is that today houses are insanely prices.. which must be adressed by financial aid to those starting a family.. we cannot have it be that 30yos with phds are forced to live at their parents until their 30s.. cause houses are that expensive let alone one thats not just as flat for 1 person but a house with a few rooms for kids.
so there is definitly a task for the goverment to improve the birthrate.. both by normalising having kids younger *like advertisement on tv of young mothers and slogans of help your nation not go extinct and a good girl has kids.. basicly the counter to the whole feminitic man hating mindset that forced them into work.. will help a lot"
but aditionally we need financial stimulousses that make having kids in that stage of life viable again...
it is better even to let the old generation rot.. and take money from elderly care.. to fund this.. even though thats a last resort.. but we cannot have the future of the nation never being born..
having birthrates back at replacement level within the decade should be one of the number 1 political topics in every nation.
Do you mean women? Or males who think they are female? Or women who think they are men. Or maybe you mean non-human women?
I m so confused.
the fertility of a woman of 35 is half that of a woman of 30.. .. many woman already go into menopauze in their early 40s... and where it takes with dayly sex for a woman in their fertila 16-26yo window about 2 months to get pregnant.. that is up to 6 months when they are 30.. up to a year when their 35.. and past that it's often to late.
it is why you see so many of those late woman who with ivf and hormone treatments try to get 1 kid at those ages.. many failing.. let alone to get a 2d...
but they would have needed non of that if they just started having kids at the age nature intended 16-26yo
its why I wrote "proper career", if u have a proper career u can easily finance the hormonal treatment to extend ur fertility period.. and if u poor I dont rly know if u should have children to begin with, atleast I wouldnt in this world. The hormone treatment is less effective if u start late which many do to save money but if u start in early 30s u usually dont have much trouble
Psychologically, mid to late 20s.
Socially, early 30s.
society needs 2.1 kids per woman.. can't do that without the poor and average people participating too..
my solution would just be lower the marriage and birthrate.. make it so that once more marrage of man of 21-28 to woman ages 18-21 becomes the norm with the average age of marriage for woman around 19 and for man around 23..
that is old enough for man to have completed their career, and for woman to have completed highschool
and that man will than either have gotten his asociate degree, bachatlor degree, master degree or phd (for average age of completing that is 20-23)
it is than society that must be aranged in such a way that like the days of yesterday.. on such a starting salary can afford a small house with enough rooms for the kids, and all the other basic things a starting family needs.. sure they may not be able at first to afford 1000 dollar smartphons, and may be limited to caming with a tent 1 week for holiday.. if they have a holiday at all those first years..
but as long as you got your degree... without dropping out.. or for trades (who starts around 12 learning.. and around 16 join the workforce.. those will thus have enough experience around 23 and years of wage they should too have a starting position that allows them to buy a small house...
if society wants woman to work too than it should be normal that woman during those years they get their kids also do their education.. with thus less classhours (adult education).. seperate education for young moms.. with clashours and in school nurseries to enable this.
alternatively.. you would offer this education to mothers in their 30s aka when their kids are teens.. which means they would just enter the workforce a little over a decade later.. than man.
the alternative would be normalise man of 30-40 marrying those 18-23yo woman.. you still would need to alter society to have families to live of 1 income again.. but for man older age is less a hindrence so than their economic independence could provide tthe woman with the space to develop herself while married without outside subsidy and help needed.
finally we can ignore the woman working and studying alltogether but that seems something society not wants.
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EVEN if we would have woman complete college at 20-22 same at man and marry at 23yo..
that would be later than historical.
but if we presume first kid than at 24.. second at 25/26 and 3d at 27/28 than that still can work.
ofcourse it would need still changes.. to make for such fresh out of school people it possible to buy a house and start a life in those young 20s..
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so basicly we need as a society
**to normalise marrying young again
**to have woman desire work less, and children more.. by the same reversed propaganda that was used to get away from motherhood into workforce
**to alter society so it becomes financially viable again to build a life early 20s..
likely a combination of mass building houses funded by state
-cheap moirgages and discounts on buying and renting these houses with prerental treeatment to young couples in getting them over others
-making education free (so you not start with as massive a debt in life)
-likely give taxcuts or childsupport those years...
this can all be funded by a higher tax on those corporations (the share the top has gotten has increased vs what the rest gets.. that needs to be returned to what it was)
as well as taxing people later in life more..
effectively you tax those 35-40yos to make it able for the 20yos to have families..
which boils down to.. you make them have the family now when nature is best.. and have them pay for it later when their economic situation allows it.
while turning houses back in a public right.. instead of an investment object to exploit others with..
This pairs nicely with the “why is there so much autism nowadays?” thread also on the first page.