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Europe wanted to get into a pissing match with the US, they wanted to act tough because leaders like Macron didn't like Trump on a personal level. Well, being the ones who hold all the cards, it's nice to have someone finally willing to play them.

And if more nations leave the EU, it means they'll have the opportunity to trade on better terms, which they wouldn't have to do if the EU hadn't shown how incompetent it's leadership is.

Originally posted by St✩rlight:

Sucks for Europe, probably more countries will want to leave now. Sucks for America too, these taxes are costing you guys $20 billion each month.

Somehow the US economy is improving. I can't explain it. Oh wait, the election... must have been it.

Originally posted by St✩rlight:

Originally posted by Talby:

Somehow the US economy is improving. I can't explain it. Oh wait, the election... must have been it.

So you're saying that the $65/month tax is fixing the economy? Well that's great but it sucks for everyone who can't afford it.

Have not heard, even the datacenters I visit frequently switched off CNN in favor of Fox right after the election. Same in the office, zero complaints.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Europe wanted to get into a pissing match with the US, they wanted to act tough because leaders like Macron didn't like Trump on a personal level. Well, being the ones who hold all the cards, it's nice to have someone finally willing to play them.

And if more nations leave the EU, it means they'll have the opportunity to trade on better terms, which they wouldn't have to do if the EU hadn't shown how incompetent it's leadership is.

Agreed.

I see this trade deal with the EU as another win for the United States.

Trump is effectively using tariffs as leverage to negotiate great deals (fair deals) for the United States.

And the USA is still sliding further into debt lmao.

Originally posted by Vox:

And the USA is still sliding further into debt lmao.

So much damage from the failed party. My PFP guy will assuredly agree. Bigger chainsaw incoming...

Originally posted by Vox:

And the USA is still sliding further into debt lmao.

Big government will do that. The United States hasn't balanced the budget in a quarter century.

The trade war between the U.S.A. and the E.U. is inconsequential and quite frankly boring when it's southeast asians who hold all of the cards by manufacture everything. It is like watching an inconsequential sissy-slap fight, and personally I think it'd be better if the western powers united because, quite frankly, none of the western nations independently have the manpower to compete. The U.S.A. used to get by through innovation such as the airplane, television broadcasts, personal computers, telephones 'n such but it seems all of the innovation has dried up and it squandered its advantage by teaching the Chinese how to make its inventions and let them pull ahead to the point where they are now better at it. With over 1.4 billion people, China's enough of a juggernaut by itself that the population of Europe and the U.S.A. combined don't match it, but an alliance could at least be close enough to be a rival force. Neither alone has the manpower to achieve it.

Chinese hegemony is on the way as things stand. It's hard enough to engineer a novel grill scrubber using solely domestic parts, and that doesn't even really have any moving parts or electronics.

Result will be that US citizens will pay higher price on EU imported products.15% is highly unfair tax, because EU has something like 2% on US products.

Steel still has +50%.

Germany will likely exit EU first though, then Netherlands next.

Originally posted by Talby:

Originally posted by Vox:

And the USA is still sliding further into debt lmao.

So much damage from the failed party. My PFP guy will assuredly agree. Bigger chainsaw incoming...

Your current president is adding even more to the national debt and he's a dirty diddler 🙂

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

The trade war between the U.S.A. and the E.U. is inconsequential and quite frankly boring when it's southeast asians who hold all of the cards by manufacture everything. It is like watching an inconsequential sissy-slap fight, and personally I think it'd be better if the western powers united because, quite frankly, none of the western nations independently have the manpower to compete. The U.S.A. used to get by through innovation such as the airplane, television broadcasts, personal computers, telephones 'n such but it seems all of the innovation has dried up and it squandered its advantage by teaching the Chinese how to make its inventions and let them pull ahead to the point where they are now better at it. With over 1.4 billion people, China's enough of a juggernaut by itself that the population of Europe and the U.S.A. combined don't match it, but an alliance could at least be close enough to be a rival force. Neither alone has the manpower to achieve it.

Chinese hegemony is on the way as things stand. It's hard enough to engineer a novel grill scrubber using solely domestic parts, and that doesn't even really have any moving parts or electronics.

hmm cheaper and low-quality is not better. Disposability will drown us in our own trash far faster then any fossil fuel nonsense...

Originally posted by IcarianXT:

Result will be that US citizens will pay higher price on EU imported products.15% is highly unfair tax, because EU has something like 2% on US products.

Zero tariffs on some strategic goods like aircraft, chemicals, and agricultural products.

But yeah, the EU companies will have to eat the cost of the tariff. Or expect reduced demand.

Originally posted by Vox:

And the USA is still sliding further into debt lmao.

Yep, Trump's bill will add $3.4 trillion into debt.

Originally posted by IcarianXT:

Result will be that US citizens will pay higher price on EU imported products.15% is highly unfair tax, because EU has something like 2% on US products.

Yeah, EU has been incredibly fair to the US, whereas Trump is acting hostile all the time and trying to extort countries, at the expense of American consumers.