Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

so wtf is israel supposed to do?

ceasing the genocide would be a nice start

Thwy want israel to get hit by daily random rockets and do nothing of course. Like youre in san francisco and 3 rockets a day come from oakland. Oh well we just got to take it i guess

this was all Hamas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl1jiFgot5o

They are doing something - sending aid to Israel.

People are questioning the validity of these claims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA

Originally posted by Stop Having Kids:

People are questioning the validity of these claims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA

I am hoping for the sake of humanity that this is just sarcasm and that no one would unironically post such a video

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

instead of condemning hamas and pressuring it further to release the hostages they just constantly condemn israel instead? wtf? what is the logic? i honestly want to know.

gaza attacked israel with one of the worst massacres in in modern history and promised they'll do it again as soon as they'll have the chance, so obviously israel is going to do everything to destroy this group and anyone that supports it.

and yet it's israel's fault for the alleged starvation in gaza? the only reason it's happening is because hamas refuses to lay down its weapons, it is purely their fault.
you can't expect israel to fight on their terms in dense urban jungles full of boobytraps, tunnels and ambushers so of course the most effective way to defeat them is relenless siege.
if aide is allowed to enter, hamas will steal most for themselves, and prolong the siege.

so wtf is israel supposed to do?

why aren't the palestinians doing anything against hamas? there is only a tiny gang that offically picked up arms against them.
how about providing intel to israeli forces which targets to bomb so they wouldn't have to destroy every building that can contain hamas militants?
why are all the relief efforts is just bringing more stuff into gaza and not rescuing the palestinian civilians from gaza?
why haven't a single nation agreed to take care of palestinian refugees outside gaza?

everything about this moral outrange stinks to high heaven from hypocricy and dishonesty, especially France that still occupies FOURTEENS colonies in foreign lands. so if anyone actually has a good explanation to all this i'd be happy

hamas doesnt control border and airspace

usa and EU not want deploy troop

israel doesnt want foreign troop in gaza

ok if saudie, iran, turkey, egypt agree to deploy their army in gaza you accept that ??

Not my problem.

Took Arab League 3 years to condem Hamas. Just think that through. Meanwhile Western media have been busy showcasing Israel as the bad guys. If anyone is the bad guys here then its Iran.

A two-state solution have been offered to them before but the goverment in Gaza refused. They choosed war over peace and lost. Which means thier claim to the land is non-existing. Eveyone who claim the land still belong to Palestine and Israel are occupiers have no clue how real wars works. You win a war you can take territory from the losing state. Which Israel did when they won against both Egypt and Syria with help from USA in 1973. Thats how wars works. You lose a war you have no claim over that territory any longer.

The International Community has always been opposed to Israel based on two elements: its existance has always been supported by the USA so naturally anyone against the USA is also against Israel and it is a Jewish state in the Middle East so the Arabs state have historically been against its existance.

Things have slightly changed during Trump's first term with the signing of the Abraham accords, normalising (for the first time in history) the relations between Israel and several Arab states.
But overall not much has changed.


Great Britain has historically been a strong supporter of Arab nations, first in their opposition to Turkey and then in their control of the Middle East and finally because those nations do control a good portion of the world oil supply.
On top of that, the UK and France both have a huge (and extremely troublesome) muslim population.
And supporting Palestine right now is an easy bone to throw in the road hoping it would quite the national scene.


But if you want to understand how international politics really works, I'd recommend the series "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime Minister", which are surprisingly modern considering their age, starting straight from this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgLg9zQH3vU
In the immortal words of Sir Humphrey Appleby, the UN is the accepted forum for the expression of international hatred; and that is true today as it was true in the 80s.

And no, there is no genocide in Gaza.
If it was, Israel would be the most inefficient genocider in the history of the world as two years after Hamas started the war, with total air superiority and an actual army composed of artillery and tanks, they haven't killed 5% of the population of a small and densly populated area like Gaza.

By comparison, the Ottoman Empire, a century ago with all the limits of that age, caused the death of a million Armenian within two years.
That was a genocide, what's happening in Gaza is a war.
A war that Israel hasn't started and should not end until the last hostage is free (something that Hamas could achieve right here and now if they were actually interested in the well-being of their people) and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation ceases to be the government of a nation state.

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Took Arab League 3 years to condem Hamas. Just think that through. Meanwhile Western media have been busy showcasing Israel as the bad guys. If anyone is the bad guys here then its Iran.

A two-state solution have been offered to them before but the goverment in Gaza refused. They choosed war over peace and lost. Which means thier claim to the land is non-existing. Eveyone who claim the land still belong to Palestine and Israel are occupiers have no clue how real wars works. You win a war you can take territory from the losing state. Which Israel did when they won against both Egypt and Syria with help from USA in 1973. Thats how wars works. You lose a war you have no claim over that territory any longer.

ok and how it is relevent to west bank ??

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

why aren't the palestinians doing anything against hamas? there is only a tiny gang that offically picked up arms against them.

Because Hamas is the only game in town. Fatah is a borderline puppet government and the PIJ is worse than Hamas. Since they're the ones providing assistance and "security" on the ground, Palestinians have neither the means nor the will to oust them.

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

how about providing intel to israeli forces which targets to bomb so they wouldn't have to destroy every building that can contain hamas militants?

We (meaning the Five Eyes) already do. But urban warfare in a densely populated area always involves collateral damage.

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

why are all the relief efforts is just bringing more stuff into gaza and not rescuing the palestinian civilians from gaza?

Rescue them and put them where?

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

why haven't a single nation agreed to take care of palestinian refugees outside gaza?

Because it's impossible to host a large proportion of Palestinians without major instability. I apologize to anyone who is more pro-Palestine than I am, but that's the true reason. They've wrecked Lebanon and Jordan in the 70s, and the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is a branch) seized power in Egypt between 2012 and 2013. Plus, it would be viewed as participating in ethnic cleansing and finalizing the Zionist project.

♥♥♥♥, even Algeria, one of the most pro-Palestine countries, Palestinian refugees had to be hauled into refugee camps out in the desert.

Originally posted by JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

if the stravation of gaza is so terrible, why isn't the international community doing anything against hamas?

Because there's nothing to be done anymore. The destruction of Hamas will not bring peace to the region. Israel has violated every part of international law and killed every possible solution to the conflict not because of them, but because of terrible strategic decisions on both ends.

Most countries will want to play realpolitiks and condemn Israel while quietly do business with them.

When gaza is dead, the problem still remains, Mr. net still needs more wars to stay in power.

Hannibal Directive

Originally posted by Immortalis:

And no, there is no genocide in Gaza.

You don't need the IDF to have a genocide. There is one everywhere you look. You can even start your own: Married a black man? Genocide. Theorising about race? Genocide. Moved to another country? Genocide.