Luigi Mangione has 99% of the people behind him, so it's healthcare something i think.

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Posting on Internet forums is one thing, but when I talk to the other side in real life I find that there are plenty of things we agree on. Write you own examples below.

One used to be that rapists and pedophiles shouldn't be involved in the government; but now...

that berserk is the greatest piece of media of all time

Nothing. Facts vs Feelings.

Originally posted by NoRain :( 🗕 🗗 🗙:

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Posting on Internet forums is one thing, but when I talk to the other side in real life I find that there are plenty of things we agree on. Write you own examples below.

One used to be that criminals shouldn't be involved in the government; but now...

I edited your quote and made it more general, because talking to people in real life most just want the criminals in the government to finally see justice, even if it means that people on "their side" will go to jail too.

There are exceptions, of course, but in my experience those people are actually somewhat rare as long as you don't put them in a defensive position.

That the government doesn't care about its people.

War bad

Originally posted by Karhrandras:

Luigi Mangione has 99% of the people behind him, so it's healthcare something i think.

I think most people can agree, that figure is completely false.

copyright is a joke and needs to be brought back to 20 years tops and 10 years even beyond that.

Also housing pricing is out of control, we dont yet know a way to solve it

idk probably something about not liking the other side

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Originally posted by NoRain :( 🗕 🗗 🗙:

One used to be that criminals shouldn't be involved in the government; but now...

I edited your quote and made it more general, because talking to people in real life most just want the criminals in the government to finally see justice, even if it means that people on "their side" will go to jail too.

There are exceptions, of course, but in my experience those people are actually somewhat rare as long as you aren't combative in the conversation.

Because of how persistent things like this are online, there's only a few options I see:

1) People online are the same people IRL, but when they're IRL they're much more conscientious of being punched in the mouth, so the keep the edge-lord views hushed (this reality would make me sad)

2, and what I hope is likely, though it's still bad) The 'people' online are bots, further supporting dead-internet theory and public discourse control. If you can get bots to radicalise people so much that they stop seeking dialogue IRL in order to avoid escalating conflict, then you control 90% of the narrative

Basically either people are just as bad as they are online IRL, but just closeted with some views. OR, that a lot of the extremism we see is artificially created to sow division for the end-goal of upholding the status quo and illusion of democracy

I'd like to think that the general person isn't so lacking in critical thinking, hence why I favour 2, but the more I see from independent media, it looks like it's both of them; a bot-driven disinformation into indoctrination of the extremist ideologies we see today

This actually reminds me of a thread not too long ago where a Protestant Christian tried telling me that criticising Christianity and the Bible by posting a video to someone criticising Catholicism wasn't actually criticising Christianity... They didn't understand that Catholicism is Christianity, and they also tried telling me that Catholicism was "a very small group" of Christians; Roman Catholicism is the largest branch of Christianity. Indoctrination is a scary thing, because it motivates* people to argue about things they clearly know very little about, and do it confidently despite that

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

What is something that both political sides can agree on?
Posting on Internet forums is one thing, but when I talk to the other side in real life I find that there are plenty of things we agree on. Write you own examples below.

That the Epstein files where all the people are named should be unredacted & released (even if anything is tampered it will show in the metadata, due back then being the govt idea of having a backdoor & tracking of everything), and people in the govt, corporations, lobbyist groups, etc. (upper echelon in general) should start to answer many questions.

One example being the around 3 min of missing footage, which originally it was though to only be a minute, from the Epstein jail cell before his death...

Originally posted by videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

copyright is a joke and needs to be brought back to 20 years tops and 10 years even beyond that.

Also housing pricing is out of control, we dont yet know a way to solve it

No, the solution is straightforward, but people muddy the waters of politics to make it seem* much more convoluted than* it actually is. The top 1% of the USA owns more than 30% of the total wealth; the bottom 50% of the USA only holds about 2%. That means that 1/100 of that society owns 15 times more than what the bottom half has. A simple example would be like comparing this to a boat which is capsizing.

If the boat has 30% of the weight on one side, it's no secret why the boat is capsizing. Instead of real solutions, they have people talking about religion in schools, boys wearing dresses, immigration, and other things which don't actually solve the problem. Until someone shifts the weight which is capsizing the boat, we'll continue to sink. Everything else is a distraction, though some distractions are valid, they're sold as a solution to a problem which demonstrably has nothing to do with the problem itself

Originally posted by Karhrandras:

Luigi Mangione has 99% of the people behind him, so it's healthcare something i think.

I support healthcare reform (the hard part is getting people to agree on WHAT kind of reform), but not spoiled rich kids murdering people.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

I think most people can agree, that figure is completely false.

That's fair, but would you also agree that most people in America think there is a major issue with the healthcare system, and much of that issue stems from how often the companies deny valid claims?