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Opinions on kernel-level anti cheats?
People seem to hate them so much, games like Sonic Rumble are considered dead in the water before release because of these types of anti cheats.

What are your opinions on them and why?
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Gamba 4 Aug @ 9:52pm 
We need this ♥♥♥♥ so bad on cs2
Chaosolous 4 Aug @ 10:04pm 
Booooooooooooooo!
Originally posted by Chaosolous:
Booooooooooooooo!
Who let this ghost in here?
instead of locking you out of the game, if it detects a digitial entity it should just delete you.

like slavehunting drones.

it could even do a palsphere and make a copy of you as it deletes you.
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Leto 4 Aug @ 10:24pm 
Would be ok with it as some sort of cpu Instruction set like sse with shared memory access (read only), else rather no.
is bad, no? presents a bit of a security risk because of how much access the anti cheat has to your OS.
temps 4 Aug @ 10:37pm 
I don't really have strong opinions on them but I've heard that they can cause system instability and problems with your system in the future so... considering many of these developers can't even make a game without bugs or crashing problems, I don't trust them to be messing around with my OS kernel either.

So I avoid it just to avoid future problems with my OS.

Tbh I mostly prefer playing single player games anyway so it's not that hard of a decision to make to avoid them.
Prinny 4 Aug @ 10:44pm 
They don't stop cheating one bit and are still massive security risks.
wattt
I think they are terrible and pose extreme security risks, possibly rootkits in and of themselves. It's already dangerous enough to run software in the Kernel, but heavily obfuscated software who's job it is to resist investigation and tampering by the user is an even worse idea.
Cheating is the gift man gives to himself
Negative because it means I can't play Nikke on Linux
Originally posted by Prinny:
They don't stop cheating one bit and are still massive security risks.
As a Steam Deck user, it is with great regret that I report that it actually does mitigate cheating.
https://www.pcguide.com/news/blocking-linux-steam-deck-users-from-apex-legends-led-to-meaningful-reduction-in-cheaters-devs-say/
Originally posted by Final Kat:
People seem to hate them so much, games like Sonic Rumble are considered dead in the water before release because of these types of anti cheats.

What are your opinions on them and why?

greetings Kat.

its not that the anti cheat itself is a bad idea.

its the unintended consequences:

- cheater community is skilled. doesn't take them long to fully reverse engineer a game and fully circumvent and bypass anti cheats.

- now, if bad cheater decides to commit a federal crime, and they succeed in compromising the anti cheat, they can now issue Ring Zero commands unchecked to any pc that has that anti cheat on it, on that specific game. Meaning they win.

And there would be no defense against that, since your anti virus would already have it whitelisted. you'd just pray your pc wasn't on when it was compromised, so you can maybe learn about it from your phone, and disconnect the device from the internet so the attacker can't take control of your system.

so that's why heuristics are superior. less risk to the customer, and still able to catch a cheater if it watches long enough.

ring zero anti cheat is just a dumb idea these days, and won't stop the cheating, either. its also becoming more and more outdated as we go.
Originally posted by causality:
I just hate that uninformed people that kernel level anti cheat means it's going to steal your info, dog, house, wife, life savings, ect..

as long as it does not steal my "special" folders, it is fine.
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