so the bus driver is the ceo now, and wants a pay relationship to the work he enables the ceo wouldnt get and neither would the investors nor the workers he is attempting to parasatize as a highway robber coachman.

IMO, yes. The bigger the responsability, the bigger the pay should be. Doesn't always work like this unfortunately but IMO it should.

Wage remains the same. You agreed to your wage. You may want more though for various reasons.

You can try to negotiate a higher wage. Maybe you'll get it. However, if you are unhappy, you can quit and find another job that pays more.

Wages are set by market forces.

How does the bus pay for it's operation?

Originally posted by Prinny:

How does the bus pay for it's operation?

The bus doesn't. It's an inanimate object.

Around here, public transportation drivers are paid a standardized wage, and while I don't know any details, I don't think it depends on minor details like that. In fact, drivers are not even driving the same thing every time.

Of course, if you need specific licenses for certain vehicles, having the ability to drive them might be enough to put into a slightly higher wage bracket.

No company would ever pay more for the driver for this. Their main aim is to reduce cost and pay as little as possible to the worker.

Depends on the circumstances, 100%

Originally posted by Houseman:

Originally posted by Prinny:

How does the bus pay for it's operation?

The bus doesn't. It's an inanimate object.

Then this economic discussion is a bust.

On principle yes.
But not because he's more productive since his productivity is not the amount of people transported by the bus but the fact that he covers the route assigned to him; if that were true, what would happen on those days that Frank carried only six or seven people? Would the company be allowed to dock his pay because he wasn't as productive as usual?

The reason why Frank should get paid more is because the new bus is logically bigger than the old one and as such it requires a higher degree of skill on Frank's part to avoid accidents and cover the very same route.


But it is something that is up to the party, Frank and the Company, to debate and reach a common ground.
If Frank is happy with his current wage, the Company has no obligation (absent laws and union agreements which determine a different pay for those steering a bigger bus) to offer a higher compensation.
If Frank is not happy, he can go up to his boss and ask for a raise.

Then the ball would be in the Company's field and it would be up to them to consider whether the raise is in the best interest of all involved, if they are willing (and/or able) to provide that raise etc.
And if they refuse, for whatever reason, Frank is free to look for employment elsewhere.

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

No company would ever pay more for the driver for this. Their main aim is to reduce cost and pay as little as possible to the worker.

If you're worth more then go find a job that pays more. The problem is low skilled easily replaced workers are not valued as much.

So get the skillz that pay the billz.

Invest in yourself.

Originally posted by Houseman:

Meet Frank. He's a bus driver hired by a company to drive buses from the suburbs into the city, and back again.

Frank drives a bus that holds 24 people. Frank gets paid his hourly rate, and is happy.

Some time later the bus company buys a new bus that holds 48 people, and decommissions the old 24-seater.

Now Frank is doing the same job, but now he's transporting twice as many people.
Should Frank get paid twice as much, since he's now twice as productive?

What do you think?

In another topic, Rain couldn't answer this question. Can you?

bus can carry at least 50 people

it is possible population increased, but bus didnt put more bus, or more people chose bus, because car is too expansive or they prefer bus over car

Originally posted by Houseman:

What do you think?

A larger, higher-capacity vehicle can require a specific license.

If Frank obtains the license necessary to drive the larger vehicle, then yes.

If the larger vehicle has the same requirements to drive as the smaller vehicle, then Frank should just be happy he's received newer equipment to work with.

He can always, of course, negotiate for more of a raise during his next employee review.

Originally posted by Houseman:

Originally posted by Prinny:

How does the bus pay for it's operation?

The bus doesn't. It's an inanimate object.

yes bus get pay, if you dont pay it, the bus stop to work

If Frank's contract has no clause on what kind of bus he's driving, only say work hours, then that contract lives on and he get what before. Most likely he'd get it even if the old bus broke down and he was sitting in the office at 0 productivity until he gets laid off.

Alternatively, if his contract is based on people carried or company profits then he will potentially get more or less, depending on the actual number of passengers rather than the bus capacity or in the other case on the expense of the resources used to buy the new bus.

Economy 101. Btw you forgot to mention how much money Frank contributed to the purchase from his pockets.