We are the 1%.

Fun Fact: you pay 100% for 2% milk

If the 99% posted, 130+ million people a day would be posting here, it would probably sound like 1000 fully seated football stadiums screaming and hollering into the wind and no one would hear a word, or see a text.

The bots would break, the database would shatter, the cables would melt. et cetera, et cetera.

Also that article looks like it was doctored by AI. It repeats itself. Itself.

Originally posted by Fake:

Fun Fact: you pay 100% for 2% milk

Interesting tidbit. I heard the price of eggs are down 1500%.

Originally posted by Utiviroo:

If the 99% posted, 130+ million people a day would be posting here, it would probably sound like 1000 fully seated football stadiums screaming and hollering into the wind and no one would hear a word, or see a text.

The bots would break, the database would shatter, the cables would melt. et cetera, et cetera.

Also that article looks like it was doctored by AI. It repeats itself. Itself.

People are way too quick to judge something as being written by A.I., especially when it is verifiably not.

Chat G.P.T. was released to the public on November 22nd 2022, but this revision from November 11th 2022 is largely the same as the current one.[en.wikipedia.org]

That's just kind of how wikipedia articles work out. You have to remember that Wikipedia is crowdsourced writing and that A.I. is trained off of crowds, so they're probably going to produce very similar results on that basis alone, which is to say nothing of the fact that Wikipedia is likely the largest repository of publicly available text, meaning A.I. is likely trained off of it directly as well.

Wikipedia articles tend to be repetitive simply because the same facts can be relevant to multiple sections of the article.

Like, the observation that a praying mantis eats its mates can hypothetically be listed under the dietary habits, the mating habits and the cultural impact of the insect.

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Like, the observation that a praying mantis eats its mates can hypothetically be listed under the dietary habits, the mating habits and the cultural impact of the insect.

Interesting.

You have got to be in the top 1% in terms of verbosity, but I find myself actually reading through your posts. Case in point. Got to the praying mantis part.

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

People are way too quick to judge something as being written by A.I., especially when it is verifiably not.

Hard to tell, really.

You have to remember that Wikipedia is crowdsourced writing and that A.I. is trained off of crowds, so they're probably going to produce very similar results on that basis alone, which is to say nothing of the fact that Wikipedia is likely the largest repository of publicly available text, meaning A.I. is likely trained off of it directly as well.

While mostly true and relevant.

Tiny problem. Bots, the non AI kind, existed before AI got buzz worthy and ubiquitous, the standard was slipping long before this, mostly due to the fact some people are trained to write, to fill word quotas for paid for articles or reviews etc. or they have the self perception they need to because they seen others do that and think it is not only normal but good sign of quality.

That is about the time professional journalism died, which I think was somewhere between 2008 and 2015. Slow process as each media independent got gobbled up.

As for the science articles, those are always word vomits for a different reason, just like legal text is also word vomit and utterly chaotic if you don't use the notation system to jump around in the document to see the full, full text.

Syndicated journalism, mass plagiarism (since all the media networks are owned by 10 super massive companies) and what have you started well before 2020. They got exposed during COVID because now everyone had free time to notice things.

Nice nitpick. Thank you for the correction.

Point is.

IF 1% of Steam was posting here we'd have over a million daily posters here, we clearly do not. At best we have 100-250. Add an extra zero if you want for lurkers.

If there is real power in online posting then it lies not in huge user counts but the other metric, you can reach anybody in the world in as little as six to eight hops. Social media web and hyper "information" spreaders etc.

So this article is wrong, its more like 0.0000001% are actual content creators. Rounding errors territory. Yet people take this and social media, far too seriously.

It gets worse for platforms like YT (or any of the other social media "giants"), that might theoretically have 4-8 billion users. No way there are 40-80 million content creators, as in professional, plenty of content stealing then yes, maybe there are.

So it is even more fringe than people would like to admit.

Genuinely a good nitpick otherwise.

I mean I gave the evidence in the form of an archival link. Wikipedia saves every revision of an article which you can find in the view history, and I provided a link to the last possible revision before Chat G.P.T. could've been used, unless the private developers were using it to contribute to wikipedia or Wikipedia fudged the dates on some obscure and unimportant article that likely only a small number of people have seen or ever will see.

But I suppose you mean more along the lines of it being harder to tell the difference between A.I. and non A.I., and yeah, it is. I'd suppose we are at the point where this stuff could pass a turing test.

IF 1% of Steam was posting here we'd have over a million daily posters here, we clearly do not. At best we have 100-250. Add an extra zero if you want for lurkers.

Steam is two websites. Not just one.

There's steampowered.com and then there's steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com

On steampowered.com all of the games are technically storefront user contributions, and then all of the reviews are player and customer generated content. Counterstrike 2 has approximately 9 million reviews, 75,263 are considered recent ans that's just one game. I wouldn't be too surprised if there were a million reviews written daily on steampowered.

As for Steam community, I feel like it's a significantly lower proportion of the Steam userbase. How much lower, I am not sure. Plus Steam Community is more than just Off-Topic It includes all of the community hubs. So the screenshots, the artwork and the per-game discussions count. As the website is further segmented off the users dispurse across the site and there are only so many in a given section.

Plus critically speaking, Steam is a storefront first and foremost. Most of the people using it aren't purusing the website

Tiny problem. Bots, the non AI kind, existed before AI got buzz worthy and ubiquitous, the standard was slipping long before this, mostly due to the fact some people are trained to write, to fill word quotas for paid for articles or reviews etc. or they have the self perception they need to because they seen others do that and think it is not only normal but good sign of quality.

Well, you specified A.I., and moreover non-generative bots can only regurgitate what a generative agent originally wrote, so as far as we can tell that text was ultimately written by a human, even if it was scraped.

Some of this also depends on how we define a user of a website. The -er suffix is used to modify verbs into nouns that indicate someone or something does the act, more or less irrespective of if it is animate in nature.

A runner runs
A toaster toasts
a user uses
And a poster posts

So part of it depends on whether we consider bot accounts as users or not. If you're Twitter then probably yes. If you're Elon Musk trying to renege on buying Twitter because you made the offer while high on weed and so thought it would be funny to offer $54.20 per share, then no. >_>

Originally posted by kbiz:

Interesting.

You have got to be in the top 1% in terms of verbosity, but I find myself actually reading through your posts. Case in point. Got to the praying mantis part.

Ohoho, you have no idea.

However, I prefer to think of myself as elaborate, articulate and intricate rather than verbose, or at least that's what I am for, but perhaps I think too highly of myself. Regardless thanks. It's one thing to write much, but it's another to write much that people find worth reading, even if they can't quite muster up enough through to the last half sentence of the post. ;-)

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Well, you specified A.I.,

Yes, you looked a the tree and not the forest. I was complaining that the article linked is poor quality. In essence.

They needed to do studies of something that is self evident; bit stupid, they may as well say, hierarchy is a pyramid with a few at the top and a lot at the bottom, in this case content production, whom ever gets traction tends to dominate the field, even if they are not technically the best, it is what the public (un)popularity contest determines.

Don't think your distinction between the Steam websites matters.

When ever there is a mass banning on X or Reddit or (where ever else) something stupid happens in the news (national/international politics), or especially game related (influencer influencing some social ideologue thing that no one mainstream really wants) suddenly OT is flooded with 100's sometimes 1000's of users, that do not regularly lurk here (this place isn't remotely as addictive as the other places are, the "fun" apparently true residents of OT complain the "unfun" apparently fake residents of OT need to go, all the time), then they (transient protesters) wander off after a week or two, or some other brigading thing happens because some influencer on multiple different platforms upset the hivemind (bearing in mind there are scores of different hiveminds out there) and got them all excited, in a bad way.

If it is a side effect of changing Steam policy of just toxic internet culture, Steam isn't really the meme factory that it used to be, if it ever was, I think most people moved on to better tailored to their craft sites than here, this place got too mainstream/lame etc.

As to cliques, that too is its own bed of thorns.

Perhaps the only reason it is comparatively quiet is, just a lull before the next storm, whenever it shows up, over what ever idiotic thing it will be.

We are not remotely on the same page. /shrug

Enjoy the rest of your day/week.

It takes earning 13k euros a month to be 1% in my country. 😳

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Originally posted by kbiz:

Interesting.

You have got to be in the top 1% in terms of verbosity, but I find myself actually reading through your posts. Case in point. Got to the praying mantis part.

Ohoho, you have no idea.

However, I prefer to think of myself as elaborate, articulate and intricate rather than verbose, or at least that's what I am for, but perhaps I think too highly of myself. Regardless thanks. It's one thing to write much, but it's another to write much that people find worth reading, even if they can't quite muster up enough through to the last half sentence of the post. ;-)

HAHA! You're awesome. Very earnest in every analysis in my opinion. I appreciate it for sure. Of course, as long as you don't expect me to read every last word, we're good.

You have my sword. There is great overlap in our perspective lately - mostly.

Could you imagine us discussing the myriad other subjects OT needs and deserves? Heh.

I was thinking the top 100% in America is better than half of the world.

Originally posted by Gamba:

It takes earning 13k euros a month to be 1% in my country. 😳

What? $175K?

Originally posted by kbiz:

Originally posted by Gamba:

It takes earning 13k euros a month to be 1% in my country. 😳

What? $175K?

Yessir 😎 if you went to our center you'd see a lot of 200k cars and sh, there's a lot of money in our streets

Originally posted by Gamba:

Originally posted by kbiz:

What? $175K?

Yessir 😎 if you went to our center you'd see a lot of 200k cars and sh, there's a lot of money in our streets

Sounds like high society.

What is your key to wealth, Gumball?