There's already an active thread discussing this;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

And then, to top it all off, you also gaslight everyone with the claim that even though you ban certain contents off of steams instantly, you will never tell anyone why you do it because (and i quote) would stunt creative freedoms.

Most of the games denied for sale are pedophilic in nature; they display minors in sexual situations. Typically Devs are told exactly why their game is denied or banned, but often the Devs wont tell the general public the truth about the reason.

I guess that one person started this trend, huh?

Couldn't just walk away without commenting about it?

The problem with this is you are just one person. One person alone is not going to be enough to get Steam to re-write rules the way you want them to be written.

Look, only YOU know what is best for you. Good luck on your decision. Maybe I will see you back here eventually ... maybe I won't.

Just remember there are things that you alone can't fix.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

There's already an active thread discussing this;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

And then, to top it all off, you also gaslight everyone with the claim that even though you ban certain contents off of steams instantly, you will never tell anyone why you do it because (and i quote) would stunt creative freedoms.

Most of the games denied for sale are pedophilic in nature; they display minors in sexual situations. Typically Devs are told exactly why their game is denied or banned, but often they wont tell the general public the truth about the reason.

Yeah, thats always the argument. Problem is that i am keeping track of the denial list and there are more and more games which hold no such content of any kind yet keep on being denied regardless without explanation.

Im just done at this point. The linked steam's rule list is on the level of a subreddit.
How the actual f do you run a business with rules like "no hate speech" i.e. speech that promotes hatred, violence or discrimination against groups of people based on ethnicity, religion, gender, age, disability or sexual orientation

What does this mean in clear text?
Fck knows, whatever the given moderator feels is hateful, or visa and mastercard think is hateful.
Will they tell and explain it to you what the problem is?
No.
Will you get a chance to fix it and try again?
No.

It was a good run.
I really liked the place but had my doubts starting with their decision to proclaim that nobody owns anything they buy in here, and now they are censoring content based on whatever Visa and Mastercard farts out any given morning because in western democracy we apparently live and die by the rules of our benevolent social credit number keepers.

Originally posted by miakisfan:

I guess that one person started this trend, huh?

Couldn't just walk away without commenting about it?

The problem with this is you are just one person. One person alone is not going to be enough to get Steam to re-write rules the way you want them to be written.

Look, only YOU know what is best for you. Good luck on your decision. Maybe I will see you back here eventually ... maybe I won't.

Just remember there are things that you alone can't fix.

And no, im not walking away quietly the same way you and many more wont walk away from my post quietly without commenting on it.
We all comment because we want to express our frustrations, our disappointment, or to speak out against unfairness.


I did so as well. I loved this company to sht and beyond because it was for the longest time a symbol that you can make profit without needing to be a greedy ass f about it in the process and try to skin, cripple and eat customers.

And now that seems to be changing not on the grounds of profitability, but it almost starts to look like its being done on an ideological basis.

Anyway, no hate. I know its not an airport and i dont need to announce my departure, but i will vent my frustrations and disappointment like anybody else.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

There's already an active thread discussing this;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/


Most of the games denied for sale are pedophilic in nature; they display minors in sexual situations. Typically Devs are told exactly why their game is denied or banned, but often they wont tell the general public the truth about the reason.

Yeah, thats always the argument.

Not so much argument as what actually happens for games to be denied for sale on the store. Other things can violate the ads/nft rules. Some may slip through and get banned later, typically it's minors depicted in sexual situations, which they want nothing to do with.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Problem is that i am keeping track of the denial list and there are more and more games which hold no such content of any kind yet keep on being denied regardless without explanation.

How many of them are "visual novel" or other "anime" games that aren't quite telling the truth about the "interactions" with depicted minors?
in-game ads, nope. nft/crypto, nope. ultra rare malware scenario, gone.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

How the actual f do you run a business with rules like "no hate speech" i.e. speech that promotes hatred, violence or discrimination against groups of people based on ethnicity, religion, gender, age, disability or sexual orientation

Wolfenstein sells on the platform without any issues, they just don't want things going to the extreme or being actual propaganda.
More importantly, look into who runs the banks and payment processors.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

It was a good run.
I really liked the place but had my doubts starting with their decision to proclaim that nobody owns anything they buy in here, and now they are censoring content based on whatever Visa and Mastercard farts out any given morning because in western democracy we apparently live and die by the rules of our benevolent social credit number keepers.

Could just use paypal or buy steam wallet cards. Or switch to a different bank entirely that uses another payment method, if accepted where you'd prefer to use it.

Else, this is general a business covering its butt so they can point to the steamworks conditions and tell the companies "we said they couldnt do that, we'll take care of it". Chances are none of it even matters unless someones in very specific countries with very specific laws.

This isnt an airport. You don't have to announce your departure

If you think other stores are immune to payment processor rules then well you're going to be in for a really rude awakening. You act like this is a 'new' thing. OF and other equivalent platforms can't use Visa/MC and such because they are banned by the payment processors.

What you're saying is that Steam should stop taking Visa/MC because you want a couple of games you don't play on Steam? LIke really? Do you think any store is going to say "yes lets keep game X on while we then force ALL OTHER USERS to not be able to use MC/Visa"

Think about that for literally more than 1 nanosecond. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. No one cares.

Well, payment processors and banks are rather important with regards to the point of the business: making money. And I can certainly understand that this choice will hit much less customers than taking a stand against those payment processors and banks, so business wise it's not an odd choice.

That said, if only now you came to the realisation that Valve is a business that simply makes choices in its best interest, I can only say: Good you finally realise that. Every business does, though some of course will try to market it as "hey, we're good guys, really".

Yep, well, folks were told about Steam this PC gig. PC should be an addition to your gaming needs. Not the primary, and certainly not the sole source.

First Mr Newell gave his company away to the Developers. Now he's giving it to the banks.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Been a customer for almost 20 years.

That's entirely irrelevant.

Originally posted by SLG:

Sorry, but where in that linked information about payment processors having control over what is on Steam?

Click on rules and guidelines. It is #15. It states:

Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.

Originally posted by SLG:

Sorry, but where in that linked information about payment processors having control over what is on Steam?

Rule 15 for what's not allowed on Steam:

Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.

In simpler words, "games primarily about rape and incest" are disallowed.

The alternative is Steam not being able to process payments or Steam being banned by ISPs. Basically, Valve needs to have that rule or you won't be able to buy any game on Steam.

Will it remain that or include nudity/sex/violence?

Will it escalate?

I just love watching people freak out over nothing. MF'ers act like VISA is going to cancel Half-Life 3 or Stellar Blade 2. Clueless reactionaries.

You might want to wait and see what kind of content is impacted. And then ask yourself if you'd want to defend its virtues on national TV. Methinks not in most cases.

Originally posted by nullable:

I just love watching people freak out over nothing. MF'ers act like VISA is going to cancel Half-Life 3 or Stellar Blade 2. Clueless reactionaries.

You might want to wait and see what kind of content is impacted. And then ask yourself if you'd want to defend its virtues on national TV. Methinks not in most cases.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist."

They never start with their true targets, and they never stop there. They start with the niche, hard-to-defend targets. Then when everyone has accepted that as the new status quo, the expand their reach wider and wider

The wrote the rule to be a blank check for a reason. No lawyer would leave the wording that vague and wide reaching if they didn't plan to use that reach.

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

Originally posted by SLG:

Sorry, but where in that linked information about payment processors having control over what is on Steam?

Rule 15 for what's not allowed on Steam:

Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.

In simpler words, "games primarily about rape and incest" are disallowed.

The alternative is Steam not being able to process payments or Steam being banned by ISPs. Basically, Valve needs to have that rule or you won't be able to buy any game on Steam.

I joined Steam to get away from aggressive console censorship. Now card companies are telling me what I can and can't buy as an adult?

The whole point of growing up is to work hard and buy what you want. Why are credit card companies sitting around being parents to fully grown men and women?

It's super unfair. An alternative option needs to come about, before Rule 15 expands into a bible of extremes. That's my primary concern.