Valve was showing and selling pornography, and with no mechanism for age verification. They've likely shown and sold to it to children. Had they been responsible the card companies probably wouldn't have confronted them. If that is what really happened, and Valve isn't just deflecting. You can't be mad at card companies for not wanting to be party to law breaking.

Originally posted by Zenma:

I personally would like to know how far steam will let visa and mastercard go.

Let? Payment providers have as much right to manage their networks as Valve does to manage Steam. Valve's only option would be to cease doing business with them, but that's wholly unrealistic so the answer is nothing. Get used to it.

Originally posted by Zenma:

Once they try to get rid of adult games will they let them go after games with just sensuality or games with guns or games that have violence, blood and gore? Will they let them ban games unless left/right feminists agree with the game? All my loyalty towards steam just circling the drain.

"Then all games. Then TV, and movies, and all books. What will Valve do when payment providers outlaw pencils and vowels? Where does it end? Someone do something!!1!"

My friend, you've stepped into the realm of reductio ad infinitum trying to peddle the idea they're going to ban games and keep banning games without end instead of a narrow scope of titles. And it's not like terms and conditions to use payment providers are new, it's that some people are just now aware that there are terms and conditions and seem to think it's outrageous. This is exactly why "ignorance is bliss".

But the short answer is, we'll burn that bridge when we come to it. Or maybe it'll be like the movie industry when a movie get's an R or NC-17 rating and that's not what the studio wants so they edit it down to make it PG-13 or R. Somehow we've survived decades of that, video games aren't all that special in the big picture.

Originally posted by Zenma:

I really don't care what side of the political aisle you're on, we are gamers and don't need nanny states or nanny companies telling us what we can or can't buy.

Well the days of almost lawless wild west Internet are over. The freedom you imagine never existed. And any aspect of life that can be regulated eventually will be. No one with power can resist using it. And the day "gamers" accomplish anything meaningful with their posturing and rhetoric will probably never happen.

This time next year, no one will care, the fallout won't really affect most people and once all the chicken littles realize it they'll stop crying about the sky falling.

Originally posted by Zenma:

I personally would like to know how far steam will let visa and mastercard go. Once they try to get rid of adult games will they let them go after games with just sensuality or games with guns or games that have violence, blood and gore? Will they let them ban games unless left/right feminists agree with the game? All my loyalty towards steam just circling the drain.

I really don't care what side of the political aisle you're on, we are gamers and don't need nanny states or nanny companies telling us what we can or can't buy.

Ironically your own previous quote applies to this.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/2814860/discussions/1/597402121489408677/?ctp=16#c500576094581174684

Originally posted by Zenma:

Are you farming reactions OP or are you just angry that concord and other games with androgynous monsters are dying?

Replace "concord" "other games with androgynous monsters" with "rape" and you now have contradiction.

They will definitely go after violent video games once they see how this first move plays out.

The younger people here thinks that sounds impossible, because they are too young to remember the campaigns against games like GTA, DOOM, and MK in the 90s and early 2000s.

The same group that pressured payment providers now also got GTAV pulled from store shelves in Australia in 2013. I guarantee they will not stop there.

What is Steam supposed to do, then? Not comply? So if MC and Visa then stop business, how will that work out? Keep in mind that MC and Visa have a very large reach, they do credit *and* debit cards for loads of banks around the world.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to be able to purchase games. And since all banks around here use debit cards from Maestro/Mastercard or V-Pay/Visa, it's a bit hard to not use them, you know.

Originally posted by Zenma:

my loyalty towards steam

Your "loyalty" is yours, just keep in mind that it's entirely meaningless to anyone outside yourself. That also goes for Valve/Steam, mind.

Branche loyalty is stupid.

First off; nobody normal will argue about the removal of rape and incest games. You’re not only telling on yourselves but you’re defending what most people consider actually evil. Porn games were a low hanging fruit for this coalition.

Second; if you don’t think that there’ll be actual, real, backlash when they try (because they will) to go after normal, non porn games, you’re kidding yourselves just to try and help you sick fetishes.

They tried to stop “Detroit become human” and got shut down pretty quickly. When the time comes that they try to affect regular games. We’ll push back. Until then. The weirdo gooner games are gone and most of us say good riddance.

Edit: Stupid autocorrect.

Feminist from collective shout also pushing mastercard and visa to get rid of something us men would enjoyed so much, they will regret this one day, it's a full blown war, we need to stand up against this freaks for touching our stuff.

Originally posted by Dodece:

Valve was showing and selling pornography, and with no mechanism for age verification. They've likely shown and sold to it to children. Had they been responsible the card companies probably wouldn't have confronted them. If that is what really happened, and Valve isn't just deflecting. You can't be mad at card companies for not wanting to be party to law breaking.

Thats about all there is to say.

Can we close yet ANOTHER thread on the topic now?

Originally posted by damarviggen67:

Throwaway accounts are blocked on principle

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Zenma:

I personally would like to know how far steam will let visa and mastercard go.

Let? Payment providers have as much right to manage their networks as Valve does to manage Steam. Valve's only option would be to cease doing business with them, but that's wholly unrealistic so the answer is nothing. Get used to it.

Originally posted by Zenma:

Once they try to get rid of adult games will they let them go after games with just sensuality or games with guns or games that have violence, blood and gore? Will they let them ban games unless left/right feminists agree with the game? All my loyalty towards steam just circling the drain.

"Then all games. Then TV, and movies, and all books. What will Valve do when payment providers outlaw pencils and vowels? Where does it end? Someone do something!!1!"

My friend, you've stepped into the realm of reductio ad infinitum trying to peddle the idea they're going to ban games and keep banning games without end instead of a narrow scope of titles. And it's not like terms and conditions to use payment providers are new, it's that some people are just now aware that there are terms and conditions and seem to think it's outrageous. This is exactly why "ignorance is bliss".

But the short answer is, we'll burn that bridge when we come to it. Or maybe it'll be like the movie industry when a movie get's an R or NC-17 rating and that's not what the studio wants so they edit it down to make it PG-13 or R. Somehow we've survived decades of that, video games aren't all that special in the big picture.

Originally posted by Zenma:

I really don't care what side of the political aisle you're on, we are gamers and don't need nanny states or nanny companies telling us what we can or can't buy.

Well the days of almost lawless wild west Internet are over. The freedom you imagine never existed. And any aspect of life that can be regulated eventually will be. No one with power can resist using it. And the day "gamers" accomplish anything meaningful with their posturing and rhetoric will probably never happen.

This time next year, no one will care, the fallout won't really affect most people and once all the chicken littles realize it they'll stop crying about the sky falling.

People like you are part of the problem and will forever let others control every aspect of your life. If it doesn't matter so much then don't respond at all you're doing is wasting time in your thinking.

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by Zenma:

I personally would like to know how far steam will let visa and mastercard go. Once they try to get rid of adult games will they let them go after games with just sensuality or games with guns or games that have violence, blood and gore? Will they let them ban games unless left/right feminists agree with the game? All my loyalty towards steam just circling the drain.

I really don't care what side of the political aisle you're on, we are gamers and don't need nanny states or nanny companies telling us what we can or can't buy.

Ironically your own previous quote applies to this.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/2814860/discussions/1/597402121489408677/?ctp=16#c500576094581174684

Originally posted by Zenma:

Are you farming reactions OP or are you just angry that concord and other games with androgynous monsters are dying?

Replace "concord" "other games with androgynous monsters" with "rape" and you now have contradiction.

Ah a private profile you're most likely a bot, shill or crazed activist. blocked.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

What is Steam supposed to do, then? Not comply? So if MC and Visa then stop business, how will that work out? Keep in mind that MC and Visa have a very large reach, they do credit *and* debit cards for loads of banks around the world.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to be able to purchase games. And since all banks around here use debit cards from Maestro/Mastercard or V-Pay/Visa, it's a bit hard to not use them, you know.

Originally posted by Zenma:

my loyalty towards steam

Your "loyalty" is yours, just keep in mind that it's entirely meaningless to anyone outside yourself. That also goes for Valve/Steam, mind. :cozybethesda:

Branche loyalty is stupid.

There is also steam wallet prepaid cards, amex, disover and JCB. Also loyalty is a good thing with companies I'm not sure how old you may be but in the past when there was brand loyalty companies would sell alot more and in turn make happy customers. In the age of censorship though brand loyalty means nothing now.

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

First off; nobody normal will argue about the removal of rape and incest games. You’re not only telling on yourselves but you’re defending what most people consider actually evil. Porn games were a low hanging fruit for this coalition.

Second; if you don’t think that there’ll be actual, real, backlash when they try (because they will) to go after normal, non porn games, you’re kidding yourselves just to try and help you sick fetishes.

They tried to stop “Detroit become human” and got shut down pretty quickly. When the time comes that they try to affect regular games. We’ll push back. Until then. The weirdo gooner games are gone and most of us say good riddance.

Edit: Stupid autocorrect.

You think you'll be able to push back but you won't the same will happen. I am just try to nip this in the bud while we can. The same way payment processors came for anime the furries cheered, now that they're coming for furry content on certain sites there is no one to defend. These companies are very good at divide and conquer so once the "gooners" are gone that is just more gamers segregated that will laugh at you when the payment processors come for your games.

If you cannot see that then its gonna be a rough pill to swallow later.

Originally posted by damarviggen67:

Feminist from collective shout also pushing mastercard and visa to get rid of something us men would enjoyed so much, they will regret this one day, it's a full blown war, we need to stand up against this freaks for touching our stuff.

Account with a bunch of numbers talking about war.... I'm sorry but this seems like a fedpost.