Valve needs Visa/Mastercard to stay in business.

Visa/Mastercard could care less about Valve.

The moment Valve didn't comply, Visa/Mastercard would have just banned them from using their services and that would be the end.

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:

Valve needs Visa/Mastercard to stay in business.

Visa/Mastercard could care less about Valve.

The moment Valve didn't comply, Visa/Mastercard would have just banned them from using their services and that would be the end.

Like hell it would. That would be a fairly big quarterly loss, which those cowards in suits hate more than anything - they'd rather see their own mothers dead than have to report bad performance. Besides that, the world isn't 'murica - Valve could've come up with a solution that only affects specific regions, but now people who don't even use Visa/Mastercard (may these companies BURN in hell) are forced to abide by their decision.

Ultimately, I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ WHY Valve did it, they made a promise to fight for games and when it came time to do so, simply bent the knee. I can't trust a company like that.

K, bye. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Originally posted by Yzal:

K, bye. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

How much are you being paid to astroturf? Or maybe you're posting this off of a compromised account to give your forum activity legitimacy? Only someone utterly incapable of thinking would be vitriolically in favor of getting censored. Either way, I've forwarded your account so support can check if you're a real user.

In about 12 years you've bought 74 games, so like 6 games per year... I think Valve will be fine.

I personally think it's a good move to remove the XXX games, they don't belong on steam.

Originally posted by м:

In about 12 years you've bought 74 games, so like 6 games per year... I think Valve will be fine.

I personally think it's a good move to remove the XXX games, they don't belong on steam.

So your arguments are:
- One's economic impact is limited to literally what you can see in front of you;
- MTX doesn't exist;
- Only rich people have rights;

Somehow I don't think they hold much water, huh...

More directly

Originally posted by м:

I personally think it's a good move to remove the XXX games, they don't belong on steam.

When did they make YOU the arbiter of what belongs where? What YOU think should be available for purchase is irrelevant, VALVE said "we'll sell these things in our store" and "we'll protect sellers and buyers", then turned their back and said "♥♥♥♥ you, got mine".

Beyond all that, are you lot seriously so blinded by corporate manipulation that you don't see this isn't about adult content? if Visa suddenly decides that from now on, any game featuring cats is a supposed "liability", that means Valve will remove all games that allegedly contain cats.

Your profile says that you like art - that's clearly a lie. Nobody who likes art supports censorship.

Well, can't tell if you're trolling now or not, but your original post sounds a lot like it would be a punishment for valve if you stopped buying games.
So I say, considering the low value of purchases, it has little to no effect on their business if you do so.

Sure, if people organize and a MASS of people would suddenly stop buying ANYTHING here, yeah, that would have an impact, but steam has like 130 million users, ... So good luck with that.

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

When did they make YOU the arbiter of what belongs where?
...
Nobody who likes art supports censorship.

And I'm not an arbiter of anything, I said I think, which is my personal opinion.
You do like adult games here, fine, I don't. Opinions can be different.

And about the art part, well, maybe consider that there are people that don't see trashy adult games as an "art".

Originally posted by м:

And about the art part, well, maybe consider that there are people that don't see trashy adult games as an "art".

Is that how this works? I now don't see your works as art, therefore they're not art either. Wow, this is fun! I get to dictate whether or not you make art!

Also, why are you so focused on FORCING the conversation to be about adult games, when what I'm talking about is censorship? I don't give a toss if the games that were removed where 18+ or not, the issue is in a 3rd party having complete control over Steam by simply posturing a bit. To repeat myself:

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

are you lot seriously so blinded by corporate manipulation that you don't see this isn't about adult content? if Visa suddenly decides that from now on, any game featuring cats is a supposed "liability", that means Valve will remove all games that allegedly contain cats.

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Like hell it would. That would be a fairly big quarterly loss,

When it comes to Visa and Mastercard and their revenue what percentage is from Valve? 0.1%? or less which is drop in the ocean that Visa and Mastercard would not miss.

Valve needs their services, they do not need Valve.

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Originally posted by м:

In about 12 years you've bought 74 games, so like 6 games per year... I think Valve will be fine.

I personally think it's a good move to remove the XXX games, they don't belong on steam.

So your arguments are:
- One's economic impact is limited to literally what you can see in front of you;
- MTX doesn't exist;
- Only rich people have rights;

Somehow I don't think they hold much water, huh...

You were the one stating you are no longer buying anything, their observation seems to factor correctly. Hell, Valve would suffer more if myself were to stop purchasing on my gaming account as I've accumulated much more than yourself, however I do not plan on leaving based on rape games being removed, in fact I may purchase more other games.

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Wow, this is fun! I get to dictate whether or not you make art!

You do understand what an opinion is, do you?

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Also, why are you so focused on FORCING the conversation to be about adult games, when what I'm talking about is censorship? I don't give a toss if the games that were removed where 18+ or not, the issue is in a 3rd party having complete control over Steam by simply posturing a bit. To repeat myself:

Well, for now they only removed adult games, so whatever comes next or not is just theoretical.
And not sure if you realize it, but literally everything you have and do in life is, in the end, a lot decided by a third party.

How you travel, what you can buy in grocery stores, how your power is produced, where your technology comes from.
Even here, Valve decides that you're able to freely state your opinions about things you don't like.

So yeah, you don't like it, that's fine, but this form of protest will have little to no impact, that's what I'm still trying to tell you.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Like hell it would. That would be a fairly big quarterly loss,

When it comes to Visa and Mastercard and their revenue what percentage is from Valve? 0.1%? or less which is drop in the ocean that Visa and Mastercard would not miss.

Valve needs their services, they do not need Valve.

Private profile, level 0, weird icon, defending the near-trillionaire duopoly scum. How much are you being paid to act like a bot, and do your employers know that they could just use an AI instead?

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

So your arguments are:
- One's economic impact is limited to literally what you can see in front of you;
- MTX doesn't exist;
- Only rich people have rights;

Somehow I don't think they hold much water, huh...

You were the one stating you are no longer buying anything, their observation seems to factor correctly. Hell, Valve would suffer more if myself were to stop purchasing on my gaming account as I've accumulated much more than yourself, however I do not plan on leaving based on rape games being removed, in fact I may purchase more other games.

Would you look at that - another brand new account with a private profile replying at the same time as another astroturfer. How much are you being paid to manipulate people? Whatever it is, I hope it's worth an eternity in hell :D

edit: why are you bots so focused on changing the subject? I keep bringing it back to censorship, but you LOVE talking about adult games. To reiterate my previous example, if Visa decides cats are bad, Valve will remove all games featuring cats.

If you really hate it so much then stop doing business with anyone who uses Visa/Mastercard and
destroy all you cards which uses Visa/Mastercard.

If you buy from Stores which use Visa/Mastercard you are helping them to get more power and money.
Boycott the one who forced Valve to do it and not Valve.

People should stop blaming the middleman. People certainly should stop trying to use said middleman thenselves as their shield.

Valve isn't our activist, we need to step up ourselves.

Originally posted by ガブ - Gabu:

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

You were the one stating you are no longer buying anything, their observation seems to factor correctly. Hell, Valve would suffer more if myself were to stop purchasing on my gaming account as I've accumulated much more than yourself, however I do not plan on leaving based on rape games being removed, in fact I may purchase more other games.

Would you look at that - another brand new account with a private profile replying at the same time as another astroturfer. How much are you being paid to manipulate people? Whatever it is, I hope it's worth an eternity in hell :D

No, that account is years old. Has been posting on the forums for years now.