Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell.

You realise the banks, mastercard and other payment processors, could shut down Valve in a matter of hours if they tried fighting this right?

Valve is to them, what you are to Valve. A drop in the ocean. If you disappeared to another company it wouldn't matter at all, but for Valve there isn't another company. *all* the payment processors made this change. There is no alternative.

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell.

You realise the banks, mastercard and other payment processors, could shut down Valve in a matter of hours if they tried fighting this right?

Valve is to them, what you are to Valve. A drop in the ocean. If you disappeared to another company it wouldn't matter at all, but for Valve there isn't another company. *all* the payment processors made this change. There is no alternative.

eh wrong they would lose $$$ steam could just use discover etc who wont bow to censorship. or a new company may pop up soon to take on rest and steal millions users

Originally posted by GothMommy:

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

You realise the banks, mastercard and other payment processors, could shut down Valve in a matter of hours if they tried fighting this right?

Valve is to them, what you are to Valve. A drop in the ocean. If you disappeared to another company it wouldn't matter at all, but for Valve there isn't another company. *all* the payment processors made this change. There is no alternative.

eh wrong they would lose $$$ steam could just use discover etc who wont bow to censorship. or a new company may pop up soon to take on rest and steal millions users

It's clear that you know little about the subject.

Many people aren't aware, but they use banks that use MC/Visa as processor and for their debit cards.

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

I'm not going to pirate, but I'm not going to purchase anything from steam anymore either, until you fix this. If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell. So what's gonna be deleted next? CS? GTA? The Witcher?

its valves fault for not remove the morally wrong porn games (such as the child and non consesual ones) off there platform

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell.

You realise the banks, mastercard and other payment processors, could shut down Valve in a matter of hours if they tried fighting this right?

Valve is to them, what you are to Valve. A drop in the ocean. If you disappeared to another company it wouldn't matter at all, but for Valve there isn't another company. *all* the payment processors made this change. There is no alternative.

"*All* the payment processors made this change." Factually incorrect. *Most* Of biggest and most influental have.

And Valve do have the option to comply but challange - they did not challange. In most regions the also have retail gift cards. So, yes, they are impacted, but they have alternatives to how they act and how they make money - I#m not saying its easy. But you are just rolling over and beg to be seen as a good boy.

Looks like gaming isn't for you anymore.

Originally posted by GothMommy:

eh wrong they would lose $$$ steam could just use discover etc who wont bow to censorship.

Nah. If you think Valve's income matters to these payment providers you're barking up the wrong tree.
Valve is an ant to them. They don't care if it gets squished. Other companies like Epic will take up the customers and business continues as usual.
Valve isn't big enough to matter for them.

Originally posted by GothMommy:

a new company may pop up soon to take on rest and steal millions users

I doubt it. Do you truly believe these processors would allow that to happen?

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

"*All* the payment processors made this change." Factually incorrect. *Most* Of biggest and most influental have.

Makes no difference. The "big and influential" are the ones that people use. People aren't using the one only 0.0001% of the world population knows exist.

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

And Valve do have the option to comply but challange - they did not challange.

Because they know they'd lose that. It's not rocket science.

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

In most regions the also have retail gift cards. So, yes, they are impacted, but they have alternatives to how they act and how they make money - I#m not saying its easy. But you are just rolling over and beg to be seen as a good boy.

You know how gift cards are bought, right? Using these payment processors, which if Valve went against this, would not be able to be sold...
This is elementary........ Everything Valve would be gone. You wouldn't be able to buy these cards down the local mart. Most stores only accept those "Big and influential" companies....
(Most shops where i live don't accept American Express cards, and look how big that company is. Smaller ones would be non-existent)

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

But you are just rolling over and beg to be seen as a good boy.

If you REALLY thought that, and i mean truly did, you wouldn't be here at all. The fact you're even posting here shows your just playing at it.
And those that play at it, are those that "roll over and beg to be seen as a good boy".

If you really believed this, you'd log out now and never come back.

"You know how gift cards are bought, right? Using these payment processors, which if Valve went against this, would not be able to be sold..."

Cool. I didn't know that PPs every government bank and mint internatationally.

"Because they know they'd lose that. It's not rocket science"
And a big PP is already being sued in Japan over something like this.
This is debanking, monopolistic behavior/ collusion.

"If you REALLY thought that, and i mean truly did, you wouldn't be here at all. The fact you're even posting here shows your just playing at it.
And those that play at it, are those that "roll over and beg to be seen as a good boy".

If you really believed this, you'd log out now and never come back."

You mean, abondoning every purchase I've already made here? And you say *I'm* disengenous? I already said: I'm not giving them any money. And I'm giving criticism here.
You tell me to not speak up and give up everything I already own here (which also means: giving them the benefit of not costing them anything) as protest?
Let me guess, you're also on the publishers side against stop killing games, aren't you?

Ah this flawed argument again.

Just stop for a second and think. As a business do you think they want to accept the payment method about 95% of people use? Yes, 95% of credit cards in the US are Visa or Mastercard.

That means you've just eliminated 95% of your customers ability to purchase even if you took american express or alternate methods. People are not going to solely fund their purchases by running out to buy physical cards every time they want something.

There are some fights that aren't worth fighting because the risk is too great.

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment

Good read. Next time the police stops me in my car and sees my loaded guns and tries to steal them from me and jail me forever, I will use my guns to defend myself, my kids and my property.

Thank you Steam user for your support 👍👍😊

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

I'm not going to pirate, but I'm not going to purchase anything from steam anymore either, until you fix this. If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell. So what's gonna be deleted next? CS? GTA? The Witcher?

This doesn't send the message one thinks it would since visa is asking to remove rape, incest and child molestation/rape content.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

I'm not going to pirate, but I'm not going to purchase anything from steam anymore either, until you fix this. If you let yourself be pushed around by others without fighting it to the detriment of your customers, that is on you aswell. So what's gonna be deleted next? CS? GTA? The Witcher?

This doesn't send the message one thinks it would since visa is asking to remove rape, incest and child molestation/rape content.

Yeah, lets just ignore that it is was brought on by a far right religious group pretending (largely funded by findamentealists churches, CEO is a white supremacy, anti-LGBT, anti-arbortion religious zealot) to be femenists, which also tried to delete GTA and Detroit: Become Human. They definitly aren't coming after you...

Originally posted by Truth:

Ah this flawed argument again.

Just stop for a second and think. As a business do you think they want to accept the payment method about 95% of people use? Yes, 95% of credit cards in the US are Visa or Mastercard.

That means you've just eliminated 95% of your customers ability to purchase even if you took american express or alternate methods. People are not going to solely fund their purchases by running out to buy physical cards every time they want something.

There are some fights that aren't worth fighting because the risk is too great.

What flawed argument? Did *you* stop and think? Or *read*? I said its hard. And yes, It ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is. But not as hard as you make it out to be - the whole thing can even be segregated so those purchases *don't* run through these processors, and people don't buy a game every 5 minutes so it becomes such an inconvenience to buy something else, or hell... "american" here and there.... Other countries exist, and they are a *big* market for Steam.
And I said: Challange! You can comply first but challange it. They don't even do that.

And some fights are simply not worth it... Yeah, you are just to lazy and complicit - until you are shocked when literally everything has been eroded away.

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

This doesn't send the message one thinks it would since visa is asking to remove rape, incest and child molestation/rape content.

Yeah, lets just ignore that it is was brought on by a far right religious group pretending (largely funded by findamentealists churches, CEO is a white supremacy, anti-LGBT, anti-arbortion religious zealot) to be femenists, which also tried to delete GTA and Detroit: Become Human. They definitly aren't coming after you...

Seems depending on who is asked its "far left feminist" and others are saying "far right religious" when historically companies tend to ignore anything that resembles Westboro Baptist church.

So it needs repeating:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

This doesn't send the message one thinks it would since visa is asking to remove rape, incest and child molestation/rape content.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Magos Xenobiologis Regiam:

Yeah, lets just ignore that it is was brought on by a far right religious group pretending (largely funded by findamentealists churches, CEO is a white supremacy, anti-LGBT, anti-arbortion religious zealot) to be femenists, which also tried to delete GTA and Detroit: Become Human. They definitly aren't coming after you...

Seems depending on who is asked its "far left feminist" and others are saying "far right religious" when historically companies tend to ignore anything that resembles Westboro Baptist church.

So it needs repeating:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

This doesn't send the message one thinks it would since visa is asking to remove rape, incest and child molestation/rape content.

So, do you think Game Of thrones should be banned? The show features the same elements you just listed. And your profile shows someone with a gun. I think that is intended for killing. Murder is illegal... So say goodbye to your account?

Just take look at Melinda Tankard Reist. She spearheaded this. And she influenced the Payment Processors to act on their behalve. But fine, just close your eyes and pretend that they won't come after you, and that they have zero Influence just after they demonstrated the exact opposite.