I don't know how many thread people think we need about this. But, all I will say is that you'd realise your idea won't work if you took a few minutes to skim through the ridiculous amount of threads on the subject.

We already have threads on this. And you posted this in another forum. Please don't spam.

Odd that you take a moral stance with:

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I completely disagree with the new rules of this platform where you aren't able to purchase certain games anymore due to censorship.

Then follow up with.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

or pirate them and I own them forever.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I completely disagree with the new rules of this platform where you aren't able to purchase certain games anymore due to censorship. The group Collective shout are merely a bunch of activists that got what they want. I understand the situation that the company is in since they must abide by these payment providers (Visa and MasterCard), but if this continues, I hope for a day where these rules will be lifted and we can play whatever games we want again. I want to be able to buy Grand Theft Auto 6 when it comes out.

GTA6 hasn't been restricted from the platform. The assumption that every game someone wants to complain about will be restricted isn't reasonable. The assumption that if A can be restricted the whole rest of the alphabet will be may not be reasonable either.

And it's not like with this one victory Collective Shout now controls gaming and everything they engage in activism toward will be restricted.

Yes, I know some people wish that everything they do ends in failure. But that's not realistic either.

Sometimes you just have to wait and see and try not to let your imagination run amok. No one is giving you points for scaring yourself.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

You better fix this Valve, or else pirating will come back, then no one, neither the payment providers (Visa and MasterCard) or your company, will gain much benefits again and both companies lose their customers that want to buy games. That's not a probable reality, but that will be a fact and the new reality.

Piracy still exists...

Secondly, what is the revenue amount of the games currently restricted? Is it really significant. I mean threats of doom and gloom are all well and good, but if it's just assumptions and fear mongering, not gonna have a lot of weight.

I think you over estimate gamer unity and impact. Be careful about projecting your wildly emotional response as being representative of Joe Everygamer. Some people may have opinions, but ultimately they're not going to do anything.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I honestly don't mind this reality coming true, since on one part, I buy the games physically with cash or pirate them and I own them forever. With that reality most likely happening if this continues, I will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Owning the games and avoiding these restrictions from payment providers, as well as not paying a single amount to get the games I want, if they are only digital games.

I do love the emotional appeals for Valve to do X otherwise catastrophe in one breath. But then in the next breath, you completely undercut all your arguments by making it clear you're not really a customer.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

So Payment providers like (Visa and MasterCard) and Valve, STOP KILLING GAMES !!!!!!!

FYI, Steam isn't the only game store. Steam isn't obligated to host games they don't want to either you know. Why not buy a game from another store, or directly from the developer? Why does so much hinge on what Steam does?

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

PS: This is a suggestion, I don't know whether this can happen but Valve, you have potential solution to avoid this. Let Crypto currency be a payment solution. Using stable coins, like Tether, where 1$ USD is 1 $ USDT. Although they might have to open banks for me to give them cash directly so that I can buy games using Crypto and avoid these restrictions. XD

Valve isn't going to abandon the most popular payment processors and open crypto banks to sell get around being able to sell sell affected games. Don't kid yourself.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I completely disagree with the new rules of this platform where you aren't able to purchase certain games anymore due to censorship. The group Collective shout are merely a bunch of activists that got what they want. I understand the situation that the company is in since they must abide by these payment providers (Visa and MasterCard), but if this continues, I hope for a day where these rules will be lifted and we can play whatever games we want again. I want to be able to buy Grand Theft Auto 6 when it comes out.

GTA6 hasn't been restricted from the platform. The assumption that every game someone wants to complain about will be restricted isn't reasonable. The assumption that if A can be restricted the whole rest of the alphabet will be may not be reasonable either.

And it's not like with this one victory Collective Shout now controls gaming and everything they engage in activism toward will be restricted.

Yes, I know some people wish that everything they do ends in failure. But that's not realistic either.

Sometimes you just have to wait and see and try not to let your imagination run amok. No one is giving you points for scaring yourself.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

You better fix this Valve, or else pirating will come back, then no one, neither the payment providers (Visa and MasterCard) or your company, will gain much benefits again and both companies lose their customers that want to buy games. That's not a probable reality, but that will be a fact and the new reality.

Piracy still exists...

Secondly, what is the revenue amount of the games currently restricted? Is it really significant. I mean threats of doom and gloom are all well and good, but if it's just assumptions and fear mongering, not gonna have a lot of weight.

I think you over estimate gamer unity and impact. Be careful about projecting your wildly emotional response as being representative of Joe Everygamer. Some people may have opinions, but ultimately they're not going to do anything.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I honestly don't mind this reality coming true, since on one part, I buy the games physically with cash or pirate them and I own them forever. With that reality most likely happening if this continues, I will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Owning the games and avoiding these restrictions from payment providers, as well as not paying a single amount to get the games I want, if they are only digital games.

I do love the emotional appeals for Valve to do X otherwise catastrophe in one breath. But then in the next breath, you completely undercut all your arguments by making it clear you're not really a customer.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

So Payment providers like (Visa and MasterCard) and Valve, STOP KILLING GAMES !!!!!!!

FYI, Steam isn't the only game store. Steam isn't obligated to host games they don't want to either you know. Why not buy a game from another store, or directly from the developer? Why does so much hinge on what Steam does?

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

PS: This is a suggestion, I don't know whether this can happen but Valve, you have potential solution to avoid this. Let Crypto currency be a payment solution. Using stable coins, like Tether, where 1$ USD is 1 $ USDT. Although they might have to open banks for me to give them cash directly so that I can buy games using Crypto and avoid these restrictions. XD

Valve isn't going to abandon the most popular payment processors and open crypto banks to sell get around being able to sell sell affected games. Don't kid yourself.

It’s reasonable to assume they will try to come for GTA 6 as they managed to get several Australian retailers to stop selling GTA 5 under the guise of “promotes violence against women”. Never under estimate the twisted worldview of progressive activists who would gladly see the world burn to further their cause.

Originally posted by Beardface31:

We already have threads on this. And you posted this in another forum. Please don't spam.

No worries, it got removed and I was just pushing the message out there. Apologies if this caused you any inconvenience.

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I don't know how many thread people think we need about this. But, all I will say is that you'd realise your idea won't work if you took a few minutes to skim through the ridiculous amount of threads on the subject.

While my suggested ideas may not work, my point is just that I'm upset.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I completely disagree with the new rules of this platform where you aren't able to purchase certain games anymore due to censorship. The group Collective shout are merely a bunch of activists that got what they want. I understand the situation that the company is in since they must abide by these payment providers (Visa and MasterCard), but if this continues, I hope for a day where these rules will be lifted and we can play whatever games we want again. I want to be able to buy Grand Theft Auto 6 when it comes out.

GTA6 hasn't been restricted from the platform. The assumption that every game someone wants to complain about will be restricted isn't reasonable. The assumption that if A can be restricted the whole rest of the alphabet will be may not be reasonable either.

And it's not like with this one victory Collective Shout now controls gaming and everything they engage in activism toward will be restricted.

Yes, I know some people wish that everything they do ends in failure. But that's not realistic either.

Sometimes you just have to wait and see and try not to let your imagination run amok. No one is giving you points for scaring yourself.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

You better fix this Valve, or else pirating will come back, then no one, neither the payment providers (Visa and MasterCard) or your company, will gain much benefits again and both companies lose their customers that want to buy games. That's not a probable reality, but that will be a fact and the new reality.

Piracy still exists...

Secondly, what is the revenue amount of the games currently restricted? Is it really significant. I mean threats of doom and gloom are all well and good, but if it's just assumptions and fear mongering, not gonna have a lot of weight.

I think you over estimate gamer unity and impact. Be careful about projecting your wildly emotional response as being representative of Joe Everygamer. Some people may have opinions, but ultimately they're not going to do anything.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

I honestly don't mind this reality coming true, since on one part, I buy the games physically with cash or pirate them and I own them forever. With that reality most likely happening if this continues, I will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Owning the games and avoiding these restrictions from payment providers, as well as not paying a single amount to get the games I want, if they are only digital games.

I do love the emotional appeals for Valve to do X otherwise catastrophe in one breath. But then in the next breath, you completely undercut all your arguments by making it clear you're not really a customer.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

So Payment providers like (Visa and MasterCard) and Valve, STOP KILLING GAMES !!!!!!!

FYI, Steam isn't the only game store. Steam isn't obligated to host games they don't want to either you know. Why not buy a game from another store, or directly from the developer? Why does so much hinge on what Steam does?

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

PS: This is a suggestion, I don't know whether this can happen but Valve, you have potential solution to avoid this. Let Crypto currency be a payment solution. Using stable coins, like Tether, where 1$ USD is 1 $ USDT. Although they might have to open banks for me to give them cash directly so that I can buy games using Crypto and avoid these restrictions. XD

Valve isn't going to abandon the most popular payment processors and open crypto banks to sell get around being able to sell sell affected games. Don't kid yourself.

I believe in the collective gaming community and that we will ultimately win in the end of it all. Just expressing my thoughts on the subject, that if it becomes impossible to purchase certain games on every single platform since those payment processors operate on practically all gaming platforms, the only way to own a game would be to pirate it. If buying the game from the developer is a way to get the game, I would. Pirating is the last, in the solutions bucket. I would be a customer, if they let me be one.

The crypto thing is just one of the suggestions I have to keeping digital, it's a dumb suggestion of a solution. Just coming up with stuff to fight, the fight. I would pay cash if possible.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

Well it is simple to understand, isn't it ? If you can't purchase it anywhere and own your game, due to restrictions, one way to obtain it would be to pirate it.

You can browse the Steam store where numerous tities are available, so it is odd yet again that you deem X is not acceptable (censorship) and take a moral stance while condoning Y, piracy which gives developers zero income.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

Well it is simple to understand, isn't it ? If you can't purchase it anywhere and own your game, due to restrictions, one way to obtain it would be to pirate it.

You can browse the Steam store where numerous tities are available, so it is odd yet again that you deem X is not acceptable (censorship) and take a moral stance while condoning Y, piracy which gives developers zero income.

If buying isn’t owning , piracy isn’t stealing, if steam is allowed to take what we buy aways after we’ve payed for it, what do you expect

Originally posted by ace black:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

You can browse the Steam store where numerous tities are available, so it is odd yet again that you deem X is not acceptable (censorship) and take a moral stance while condoning Y, piracy which gives developers zero income.

If buying isn’t owning , piracy isn’t stealing, if steam is allowed to take what we buy aways after we’ve payed for it, what do you expect

And arbitrarily changing the terms you agreed to when you purchased software makes you what? Oh right, a bad customer. Your ignorance and self-serving thinking doesn't justify piracy, just fyi.

This is getting me a headache, is it the stop killing video games discourse or the censorship drama. Its unbearable. Ignoring it until it dies down. I got bullied by Canadians and counter strike community. One friend blocked me, most of my friends are either in the furry fandom, a brony, etc etc.

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We need crypto payments, i couldn't care less about what VISA, Mastercard or anyone else tells ME to do with MY money.

Originally posted by Vapeor_:

So Payment providers like (Visa and MasterCard) and Valve, STOP KILLING GAMES !!!!!!!

SKG and the visa/mc situation are entirely different things, mashing them together is not helping either cause. Anyway; visa/mcs rules have apparently been in place since 2020-2021.

Originally posted by SudoRMRF:

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We need crypto payments, i couldn't care less about what VISA, Mastercard or anyone else tells ME to do with MY money.

There isn't a "need" for crypto, there is a want. It's not popular or trustworthy enough currently for valve, there's too many coins/meme coins/rug pulls/fraud involved, Valve has learned not to trust it due to rampant fraudulent transactions.