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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 8:34pm

VAC "Last chance"

I was wondering why Valve doesn't give 2 a chance? If a person admits that he acted stupidly and promises not to do it again, why not give him a second chance? I don't think that if you give a second chance, something bad will happen "the end of the world(joke)"

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Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Valve started working on a "long-term solution" for cheating in 2001. VAC's initial release was with Counter-Strike in 2002. During this initial release, the system only banned players for 24 hours. The duration of the ban was increased over time; players were banned for 1 year and 5 years, until VAC2 was released in 2005, when any new bans became permanent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

Temporary VAC bans were tried.

Valve was lenient and gave people second chances. Guess what happened? People kept cheating.

Valve stopped being lenient and cheaters were the reason

And I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but temporary is a second chance. Because when the bans first started, they only lasted 24 hours.

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d3str0y3r 14 Jul @ 8:39pm

Valve already tried temporary bans.... they didn't work. So not VAC ban are permanent and non-negotiable.

Your 2nd chance is being able to create another account.

This has been covered on the forum countless times.

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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 8:46pm

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:
Valve already tried temporary bans.... they didn't work. So not VAC ban are permanent and non-negotiable.

Your 2nd chance is being able to create another account.

This has been covered on the forum countless times.

Temporary bans are not exactly the same thing(And when were they, can you tell me?).
Creating a new account is not a second chance =)
Sorry, I didn't look for a similar question about this discussion =(

d3str0y3r 14 Jul @ 9:00pm

Originally posted by KrokiKus:
Originally posted by d3str0y3r:
Valve already tried temporary bans.... they didn't work. So not VAC ban are permanent and non-negotiable.

Your 2nd chance is being able to create another account.

This has been covered on the forum countless times.

Temporary bans are not exactly the same thing(And when were they, can you tell me?).
Creating a new account is not a second chance =)
Sorry, I didn't look for a similar question about this discussion =(

They changed from temporary to permanent after VAC2 came out, so somewhere round 2005.

Cheating is far more of problem now so i would expect the punishment to get far worse.

Creating a new account is a second chance... you get another chance to play the game.

KWYIBO 14 Jul @ 9:26pm

Cheaters are liars, second chance it's a useless joke.

KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 9:28pm

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:
Originally posted by KrokiKus:

Temporary bans are not exactly the same thing(And when were they, can you tell me?).
Creating a new account is not a second chance =)
Sorry, I didn't look for a similar question about this discussion =(

They changed from temporary to permanent after VAC2 came out, so somewhere round 2005.

Cheating is far more of problem now so i would expect the punishment to get far worse.

Creating a new account is a second chance... you get another chance to play the game.

Oh, it's a pity that in 2005 this idea was completely deleted and was not changed from temporary to 2 chance. Thanks for the information.
It's a pity that they didn't come up with an idea like: if you have an old VAC BAN, you can remove it (2 chance)

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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 9:30pm

Originally posted by KWYIBO:
Cheaters are liars, second chance it's a useless joke.

But there are good people, not just bad ones.

Lufia 14 Jul @ 9:42pm

Originally posted by KrokiKus:
Oh, it's a pity that in 2005 this idea was completely deleted and was not changed from temporary to 2 chance. Thanks for the information.
It's a pity that they didn't come up with an idea like: if you have an old VAC BAN, you can remove it (2 chance)

The age of the VAC ban would pose the same problem as it did in 2005.
Active cheaters would simply have multiple accounts, and if they were given a second chance, they could secure their inventory and use the account to cheat again.

If I were the developer of a game and their accounts, I don't think there would be a second chance for such users either.
You have to look at it this way: the risk would be far too high.
This action might bring a few users back to honesty, but many more would take advantage of it and annoy honest players or, in the worst case, drive them away.

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 14 Jul @ 10:10pm

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 14 Jul @ 10:12pm

Now I see why you're asking. That ban will never be removed.

What about the people that you cheated against? Are you going to give them all of their game time back that you took away? See that's the thing, you guys always and only think about yourself and not about others.

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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 10:21pm

Originally posted by Lufia:
Originally posted by KrokiKus:
Oh, it's a pity that in 2005 this idea was completely deleted and was not changed from temporary to 2 chance. Thanks for the information.
It's a pity that they didn't come up with an idea like: if you have an old VAC BAN, you can remove it (2 chance)
The age of the VAC ban would pose the same problem as it did in 2005.
Active cheaters would simply have multiple accounts, and if they were given a second chance, they could secure their inventory and use the account to cheat again.

If I were the developer of a game and their accounts, I don't think there would be a second chance for such users either.
You have to look at it this way: the risk would be far too high.
This action might bring a few users back to honesty, but many more would take advantage of it and annoy honest players or, in the worst case, drive them away.

Let's say if a player violated the 2nd chance and decided to transfer things to a new account, and he used cheats on the new account, then he will not be given the 2nd chance.
Because the IP address shows that this is his second account, or by phone number.
How's that idea?

Last edited by KrokiKus; 14 Jul @ 10:21pm

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ReBoot 14 Jul @ 10:25pm

Originally posted by KrokiKus:
Originally posted by Lufia:
The age of the VAC ban would pose the same problem as it did in 2005.
Active cheaters would simply have multiple accounts, and if they were given a second chance, they could secure their inventory and use the account to cheat again.

If I were the developer of a game and their accounts, I don't think there would be a second chance for such users either.
You have to look at it this way: the risk would be far too high.
This action might bring a few users back to honesty, but many more would take advantage of it and annoy honest players or, in the worst case, drive them away.

Let's say if a player violated the 2nd chance and decided to transfer things to a new account, and he used cheats on the new account, then he will not be given the 2nd chance.
Because the IP address shows that this is his second account, or by phone number.
How's that idea?

The idea is as bad as any other idea regarding IP addresses. Unless you have a legal case and can ask the ISP for details, the same person can go through several IP addresses per day. Also an IP address may cover several people. Attempting to identify people by IP addresses is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid (as long as you don't have a legal case which you don't because online cheating isn't a core IRL).

I remember trolling online in Jedi Knight 2 with a buddy of mine. We got banned (by IP), we changed the IP, we came right back. Because IPs don't mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I've also had a case of inheriting someone else's IP ban because, again, IPs don't mean jakc ♥♥♥♥.

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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 10:30pm

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Valve started working on a "long-term solution" for cheating in 2001. VAC's initial release was with Counter-Strike in 2002. During this initial release, the system only banned players for 24 hours. The duration of the ban was increased over time; players were banned for 1 year and 5 years, until VAC2 was released in 2005, when any new bans became permanent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

Temporary VAC bans were tried.

Valve was lenient and gave people second chances. Guess what happened? People kept cheating.

Valve stopped being lenient and cheaters were the reason

And I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but temporary is a second chance. Because when the bans first started, they only lasted 24 hours.

At first, I didn't quite understand what these temporary bans were.
Thanks for explaining. It's really a 2 chance.
It is a pity that scammers continued to use cheats and now such a feature does not exist at all.

Last edited by KrokiKus; 14 Jul @ 10:43pm

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OPA 14 Jul @ 10:33pm

Originally posted by KrokiKus:
I didn't quite understand what these temporary bans were.

limited in time

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KrokiKus 14 Jul @ 10:40pm

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Now I see why you're asking. That ban will never be removed.

What about the people that you cheated against? Are you going to give them all of their game time back that you took away? See that's the thing, you guys always and only think about yourself and not about others.

As for the people, I didn't use anything against them.
What are you talking about? I'm thinking about others too.

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 14 Jul @ 10:42pm

Originally posted by KrokiKus:
Originally posted by Lufia:
The age of the VAC ban would pose the same problem as it did in 2005.
Active cheaters would simply have multiple accounts, and if they were given a second chance, they could secure their inventory and use the account to cheat again.

If I were the developer of a game and their accounts, I don't think there would be a second chance for such users either.
You have to look at it this way: the risk would be far too high.
This action might bring a few users back to honesty, but many more would take advantage of it and annoy honest players or, in the worst case, drive them away.

Let's say if a player violated the 2nd chance and decided to transfer things to a new account, and he used cheats on the new account, then he will not be given the 2nd chance.
Because the IP address shows that this is his second account, or by phone number.
How's that idea?

This just shows how much you know about computers. They don't use IP bans. Why? Because it takes about 15 seconds to change your IP address. Your ban is permanent and it will not be removed. You agreed not to cheat when you created the account. You cheated so the account was banned. It is permanent and nothing you do or say will change that.

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