vac bans are PERMANENT, they never end. inventory related to the game is PERMANENTLY locked to the account.

Skin-changers are classified as cheats, as they should be..

they work exactly like a cheat and modify protected game files/memory. They can easily make your opponents skins neon. It is not necessary for VAC to tell the difference between them as modifying protected game files or memory is not allowed anyway.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/

all VAC bans come from the detection of a known cheat, whether it is used on the account itself or some sort of sharing has occurred (account, library or phone number).

Users are responsible for the security of the account and all that happens on it

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Does someone know...

Yes.

Originally posted by tvinXX:

... if this ban, or at least the trade ban will ever end??

It won't

There is no difference between a VAC ban for using a skin changer and a VAC ban for anything else.

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

vac bans are PERMANENT, they never end. inventory related to the game is PERMANENTLY locked to the account.

Damn, why they so strict...

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

vac bans are PERMANENT, they never end. inventory related to the game is PERMANENTLY locked to the account.

Damn, why they so strict...

Cheating isn't tolerated.

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

Skin-changers are classified as cheats, as they should be..

they work exactly like a cheat and modify protected game files/memory. They can easily make your opponents skins neon. It is not necessary for VAC to tell the difference between them as modifying protected game files or memory is not allowed anyway.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/

all VAC bans come from the detection of a known cheat, whether it is used on the account itself or some sort of sharing has occurred (account, library or phone number).

Users are responsible for the security of the account and all that happens on it

Had no idea about the neon thing...

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

vac bans are PERMANENT, they never end. inventory related to the game is PERMANENTLY locked to the account.

Damn, why they so strict...

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Damn, why they so strict...

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

They will cheat again...

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

No surprise there... every cheater thinks that way. Glad your opinion doesn't matter. At all.

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

the cheaters simply cycled thru banned accounts. account banned, move to next account, it gets banned, move to next, repeat till first account is unbanned, cheat, it gets banned, move to next, etc, etc, etc.

vac bans stop showing to the public after some time, but the ban will not be removed.

game developers and anti cheat makers have been working on ways to ban the cheaters themselves (not just the account) from coming back. some games, you are banned and if caught making an alt, it gets banned for ban evasion regardless of it breaking the game rules or not.

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

valve already tried temp bans, they did nothing. that is why game and vac bans are PERMANENT.

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

The thing is, the ban isn't about cheaters, it isn't to reform cheaters. It is for the people who don't cheat and have to deal with it time and time again. Because those are the people that will walk away from a game and not buy the next one if there is not some sort of countermeasure and, importantly, some sort of carthasis.

Ask people who have to deal with cheaters again and again and you will find they mostly oppose temporary bans. And they are the customer group that is of importance to Valve.

Personality change and growth does not factor into this at all and frankly, I think it should not. Temporary bans would be asking the people who get screwed over again and again to take on the responsibility of helping in the rehabilitation of the people who shat on them. That is a big ask.

Originally posted by El poco nuez del muerte:

Originally posted by tvinXX:

I think they should remove the ban after about 10 years. Like, you are a whole new person with completely different thoughts. I don't think a cheater would cheat again after 10 whole years

The thing is, the ban isn't about cheaters, it isn't to reform cheaters. It is for the people who don't cheat and have to deal with it time and time again. Because those are the people that will walk away from a game and not buy the next one if there is not some sort of countermeasure and, importantly, some sort of carthasis.

Ask people who have to deal with cheaters again and again and you will find they mostly oppose temporary bans. And they are the customer group that is of importance to Valve.

Personality change and growth does not factor into this at all and frankly, I think it should not. Temporary bans would be asking the people who get screwed over again and again to take on the responsibility of helping in the rehabilitation of the people who shat on them. That is a big ask.

I think there should be a difference between a cheater who uses wallhack or aimbot and a cheater who uses skin changer, which is something that doesn't change anything in someone else's game. I agree that those who use skin changer should be banned, but I disagree that it should be permanent.

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by El poco nuez del muerte:

The thing is, the ban isn't about cheaters, it isn't to reform cheaters. It is for the people who don't cheat and have to deal with it time and time again. Because those are the people that will walk away from a game and not buy the next one if there is not some sort of countermeasure and, importantly, some sort of carthasis.

Ask people who have to deal with cheaters again and again and you will find they mostly oppose temporary bans. And they are the customer group that is of importance to Valve.

Personality change and growth does not factor into this at all and frankly, I think it should not. Temporary bans would be asking the people who get screwed over again and again to take on the responsibility of helping in the rehabilitation of the people who shat on them. That is a big ask.

I think there should be a difference between a cheater who uses wallhack or aimbot and a cheater who uses skin changer, which is something that doesn't change anything in someone else's game. I agree that those who use skin changer should be banned, but I disagree that it should be permanent.

Skin changers are cheats?

You can make your opponents neon and ruin the game..

Originally posted by tvinXX:

Originally posted by El poco nuez del muerte:

The thing is, the ban isn't about cheaters, it isn't to reform cheaters. It is for the people who don't cheat and have to deal with it time and time again. Because those are the people that will walk away from a game and not buy the next one if there is not some sort of countermeasure and, importantly, some sort of carthasis.

Ask people who have to deal with cheaters again and again and you will find they mostly oppose temporary bans. And they are the customer group that is of importance to Valve.

Personality change and growth does not factor into this at all and frankly, I think it should not. Temporary bans would be asking the people who get screwed over again and again to take on the responsibility of helping in the rehabilitation of the people who shat on them. That is a big ask.

I think there should be a difference between a cheater who uses wallhack or aimbot and a cheater who uses skin changer, which is something that doesn't change anything in someone else's game. I agree that those who use skin changer should be banned, but I disagree that it should be permanent.

This shows me you haven't changed at all.