Vac Bans shouldn't be permanent

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Azillia 18 Jul @ 11:08am

Why do i say this? well, I think permanent Bans are Extreme, Yes I Messed around with cheats when i was younger over 1,000 days ago, but like, we don't Lock Minors up Forever for Comitting a misdemeanor like stealing something from a store, right?

SO WHY are bans permanent? I think its just Way too extreme

people might say "OH The devs don't trust you anymore"

But like, Can i not GAIN that trust back???????

Like seriously, There Is No option for redemption at all with perma bans, not at all

I think that's just wrong, and there should be options for redemptions

Now some people Might Be like " OH how do i know you are redeemed?"

and its like, You figure that out by giving People who were perma banned another chance

sounds scary? please. its a video game, if someone ends up cheating again, ban them again for an extended amount of time

but should you permaban them on their first offense when they were just a minor messing around because they happened to have the oppurtunity too?

I don' think so

I Think we should Make our voices heard....

Now some people might tell me to make a new account, i've heard that before, and for people who say that, Let me just say, i don't think that's redemption, because you're technecally ban evading, Steam still Considers you A "Cheater"

its why I don't want to make new accounts, cause that's just BS and It doesn't feel like i've been let out of my bars, it feels like i'm sneaking out instead, which is not the same

Anyways that's all i have to say, I can no longer play any of the games because I thought I would try messing around in game A long time ago

and i don't plan on playing them at all, because i litterally can't

Do I wish i could? yes

but nope, I can't because the People who work at steam cant even make it not permanent, which i HIGHLY doubt they can't. I am very sure they can, if they can apply it, they can remove it

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 11:15am

Why?

Valve started working on a "long-term solution" for cheating in 2001. VAC's initial release was with Counter-Strike in 2002. During this initial release, the system only banned players for 24 hours. The duration of the ban was increased over time; players were banned for 1 year and 5 years, until VAC2 was released in 2005, when any new bans became permanent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

Temporary VAC bans were tried.

Valve was lenient and gave people second chances. Guess what happened? People kept cheating.

Valve stopped being lenient and cheaters were the reason.

Wolf Knight 18 Jul @ 11:19am

Originally posted by Azillia:
we don't Lock Minors up Forever for Comitting a misdemeanor like stealing something from a store, right?

your not locked up. you are free to make a new steam account and start over in the game if you want to prove that you learned your lesson and wont cheat anymore.

if being a minor gave accounts a free pass, the cheaters would all be making accounts and setting them to say "I am a minor". steam has no way of knowing who is actually using the account, nor do they care. if the account cheats, it gets banned. does not matter your age.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 11:20am

Also, using real-world examples does not work here. Why? Because you're not banned. The account is banned.

VAC doesn't give two craps about how old you are.or were.

It detects cheats.

cheat detected = account banned

Last edited by C²C^Guyver |NZB|; 18 Jul @ 1:10pm

Frequens 18 Jul @ 11:23am

We've been there as a community, done that already. Turned out temporary bans only encourage even more rampant cheating, hacking, subverting, exploiting and all sorts of antisocial behavior in multiplayer games.

That's why Valve had to take more drastic measures to force a cessation of mischief and other nonsense. It was the right decision to do.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 11:24am

Cheating is also wrong and YOU agreed not to cheat when the account was created, remember?

https://steamhost.cn/subscriber_agreement/#4

https://steamhost.cn/join/

*I am 13 years of age or older and agree to the terms of the Steam Subscriber Agreement and the Valve Privacy Policy.*

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 11:31am

Also, what about all the players you cheated against and ruined games for? See? You NEVER think about that right? Which is why these "Vac Bans shouldn't be permanent" threads are ALWAYS self serving. Always.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 11:55am

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/730/discussions/0/4901564650253358839/

My, my, my....

How stories change, eh?

Mr. Monday 18 Jul @ 11:56am

Originally posted by Azillia:
SO WHY are bans permanent? I think its just Way too extreme

people might say "OH The devs don't trust you anymore"

But like, Can i not GAIN that trust back???????

Your fellow cheaters have already proven VAC bans need to remain permanent.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 18 Jul @ 12:01pm

Oh wow. It keeps getting better lol

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/730/discussions/0/4901564650253358839/#c4901564650253367033

If your account had a GAME ban but it is now displaying a VAC ban, then that means that both anti-cheat systems (Overwatch and VAC) determined that the account was cheating. The VAC ban takes precedence on the profile.

https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29

all VAC bans come from the detection of a known cheat, whether it is used on the account itself or some sort of sharing has occurred (account, library or phone number).

Users are responsible for the security of the account and all activity on the account.

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https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5

Game bans have nothing to do with VAC or this forum.

BUT in this circumstance, having the ban change from a GAME ban to a VAC ban is as certain as anything in life, the account was caught cheating, as mentioned above.