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no matter how far i run lust follows me so i ask christ for mercy and forgiveness.

I love you Jesus Christ! Ahem.

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He dont exist Jesus does and Hes God so God Bless u Fish.

may cthulhu bless you too BIG-O

God Bless You Fish

Hello Brothers and sisters 2 Tim 4:3 in full effect

Acts 2:38
38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

"be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" we confess our sins" "to forgive us our sins"

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

"we confess our sins" "to forgive us our sins"

Mark 1:4-5
4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

"baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins" "they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins"

Acts 1:4-5
4 Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

"John baptized with water" "but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

Luke 12:50
50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!

Jesus calling going to the cross baptism. has nothing to do with water

baptism and water baptism are 2 different things. there isnt a single command to baptize in water you clearly dont understand what baptism means

constantly ignoring the scriptures I post proving it. Peter literally says water baptism doesnt save you lol this conversation is crazy. you cant try to teach and ignore anything contradicting what you believe

P.S. I don't know why "Lancer VI" deleted his comment I was responding to.

It is the same kind of exception as how infants don't go to hell for not having faith in Jesus, because infants cannot grasp faith in Christ - they are too young to understand, but that does not mean adults fall under the same category of judgment. Adults are capable of believing in Jesus - therefore, if they die without faith in Christ, they are under judgment for that. Infants, however are not.

So if you know that water baptism is a direct command from Jesus and His Apostles, can go and be baptized, yet choose not to do so out of pride and man-made traditions and interpretations that go against Scripture, then you are under judgment for your pride and disobedience to God's direct commandments.

You both continue to use the thief on the cross as evidence that baptism isn't necessary, but the problem is this:

1. We don't know whether the thief had been baptized by John.

2. The thief died under the Old Covenant - read Hebrews 9:16-17.

3. Even if we set aside the two points above, the thief couldn't do anything anyway. God sees a person's heart, and I am sure that if the thief had not yet been baptized, he would have been baptized and become a disciple of Christ, proclaiming the gospel - but he couldn't, because he was executed. God is omniscient, so He knows what the thief would have done if he had been able to continue living. Therefore, thief is an exception.

@Lancer VI

How can I explain deeper layers to you both if you cannot grasp a simple command from the Apostle?

Acts 2:38: "Then Peter said to them, “ Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

But out of respect, I will try to explain the situation of the thief.

2 John 1:10-11
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

1 Peter 3:21
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Repent

Acts 2:38
38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter an Apostle is wrong and you are right

Mark 7:8-9
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.

1 Corinthians 1:17
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

"Water baptism is necessary" " Christ did not send me to baptize" you know better than Jesus. You follow a denomination not Christ

You are the blind leading the blind. I have showed several examples of people being saved without water baptism like the thief on the cross and examples of people not being saved after being water baptized like the Eunuch. You constantly ignore examples of scripture proving you wrong and go whataboutism. You are dooming yourself and the people you talk to. You clearly are not in Christ and need to repent. You are not a brother you are an enemy to the sheep making them go astray to follow your denomination not Christ.

Everyone will be left with their own opinion. So final words.

Biblical position:
Water baptism is necessary, and it must be done exactly as Jesus Christ commanded: in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). The Apostles and their disciples baptized people with water, and they would not have practiced something that was unnecessary.

The Didache - the earliest Christian document (50-70s AD) that taught the first Christians how to live their faith - was written at a time when some Apostles were still alive and clearly teaches baptism with water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (Chapter 7).

The earliest Christian leaders obviously taught the same, including Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Cyril of Jerusalem, and others. So don't listen to some random person from the 21st century with a wild interpretation - listen to what JESUS Himself, the Apostles, the disciples, and the early Christians taught and practiced.

Titus 2:15
15 Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

Proverbs 27:5
5 Better is open rebuke
than hidden love.

2 Timothy 4:2-5
2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with [a]great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

This whole conversation started because you disagreed with me on calling water baptizing in the name of the father son and holy spirit a false teaching. I have said since the beginning Apostoles water baptized in the name of Jesus never once denied it was done the post you disagreed with on my profile literally says "always water baptized in the name of Jesus the son". Jesus started his ministry with getting baptized in water himself people can do it to do what he did just like breaking bread which also doesn't save you. Verses like Acts 10:47 show people getting water baptized after they get saved with the indwelling holy spirit and seem to use it as a celebration

Not a salvation docterine. Not something to argue about. Agree to disagree.

Remember the thief on the cross? No baptism.

I'm a Christian with a capital "C" and a baptist, with a lower case "b".

I will say this. The first thing Jesus did was to be baptized. Be Christ-like and follow Him in a public confession of faith, which is what a baptism is. A symbolic death and burial of the flesh and rising again in the newness of the Spirit. It's not complicated. Don't make it so, please.

Arguing about it in front of the World? not useful.

Love you brothers. Hold on to what you have and let no man take it from you.

@Jesus Saves Ask Him

According to your claim that baptism "was used to help people get immersed in believing Jesus" - so if a person struggled with belief in Jesus, after being sprinkled with water they would suddenly say: "Oh, now my faith is strengthened" from being sprinkled with water - that means nothing and does nothing... I just want to show you how ridiculous your entire line of argument is.

@Jesus Saves Ask Him

So why did the Apostles do and teach something that, according to you, is useless? Also, you didn't answer how water baptism quote: "was used to help people get immersed in believing Jesus" Again, how exactly does water baptism help someone believe in Jesus? That's your claim, not mine.

1 step forward 2 steps backwards.... we already went over multiple times of Peter himself saying the act of going in water doesn't save you are we really doing this again? think of it like with watching a movie to get immersed into the movie you turn off lights or raise the volume it has nothing to do with the movie but it helps some people get immersed in the movie and pretend it's real. Theres nothing wrong with water baptizing in the name of Jesus but the act of going in water isn't what saves you it's what's in your conscience exactly why the thief on the cross was able to get saved without going in water.

" every single example of water baptism was done in the name of Jesus and it was used to help people get immersed in believing Jesus "

So, water baptism is needed and helpful for a person to believe in Jesus? How exactly does water baptism help someone to believe in Him?

"every single example of water baptism was done in the name of Jesus and it was used to help people get immersed in believing Jesus" lol you keep ignoring what I say then asking the same question pretending like it wasn't answered.

@Jesus Saves Ask Him

Do you know English? Do you even understand what I asked?

" Okay, so what's the point of water baptism, then? Why did they baptize people with water in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit?"

Forget about the baptismal formula for now. I asked: why did they baptize people with water at all if, according to you, it's useless?

there isn't a single verse showing water baptizing in the name of the father son and holy spirit in the Bible. every single example of water baptism was done in the name of Jesus and it was used to help people get immersed in believing Jesus. this is why I tell you repent of sin and believing in Jesus is being baptized in the name because its explaining Matthew 28:19 making a disciple is teaching and preaching is teaching the gospel which baptized them in the name. Jesus didn't say make disciples and baptize them he said make disciple baptizing them key word "baptizing" clearly saying teaching them is baptizing them in the name.

@Jesus Saves Ask Him

Okay, so what's the point of water baptism, then? Why did they baptize people with water in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit?

scripture shows over and over while they preach the gospel they got saved and peter himself saying water doesn't save you.

Acts 11:15-16
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized [o]with the Holy Spirit.’

preaching saved them not water

Ephesians 1:13
13 In [q]Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also [r]believed, you were sealed in [s]Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

message of truth is being baptized in the names

Acts 10:44
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

they heard the gospel and received the holy spirit. holy spirit falling upon you is baptism in the holy spirit and its what saves you

ignoring the scripture telling you hearing the gospel is being baptized into the name of Jesus. because Paul is talking about the physical act of baptism which is water baptism which he wasn't sent to do and peter himself saying doesn't save you