(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

Yes in fact give a goal to red bot.

there is already a plugin to give a robot a flag but it doesn't give upgrades to that robot and it is invisible (a human robot can end up having it as well) and it cannot be deployed and if tank is there it's teleported to the tank

Flags aren't cool to create in a mvm map it add a second bomb hud that can confuse player like I said before capture are can do the work I guess

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

Ps: If red bots not work on MvM it's because they have no goal, goal are like capture/defend a point, capture intel.
And blue bots in mvm have a objective capture the flag(yes the bomb is a flag), I think you know you played our(me and Michal) bwr or bc from ThisLD.
So by keeping the payload logic (cart that is a control point) red bots work without any problem.

i play a lot of community made plugins and gamemodes and if there is mvm logic the way to make red bots move is: give a random robot a non-team flag (gray color) and bots will go after that robot

Yes in fact give a goal to red bot. Actuall if valve added a capture area, around the bot carrier, and that bot can't capture it, red bots should work perfectly in mvm, I don't understand why nobody did a plugin on? Maybe the nav can't be adapt for that kind of entities

Ps: If red bots not work on MvM it's because they have no goal, goal are like capture/defend a point, capture intel.
And blue bots in mvm have a objective capture the flag(yes the bomb is a flag), I think you know you played our(me and Michal) bwr or bc from ThisLD.
So by keeping the payload logic (cart that is a control point) red bots work without any problem.
It's shortly say.

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

No and it's the problem :\ if server owner want to make it work they need a plugin(I did one)

But every pop did by a website work, only hatch, bomb alarm, upgrades station need to be created and it's really easy.

one problem though. if we do this how will red bots be able to move?

Surprisingly yes, If you keep the payload logic yes, so the payload hud can be hide and red bot will work.

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

Thanks I know it already ;), but I like the old way manually.
If you want a full list of what work:
-Hatch obiviously x)
-Tank path ;)
-Bomb alarm
-Upgrade station
-Spawning of bots

you mean by manually creating a .pop file using a text editor?

No and it's the problem :\ if server owner want to make it work they need a plugin(I did one)

But every pop did by a website work, only hatch, bomb alarm, upgrades station need to be created and it's really easy.
So yes you can run your wave on payload map.

My favorites maps with mvm are upward and badwater, because it's a open area so perfect for mvm.

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

Yes without any download required.

ok, for creating custom pop files visit this site:http://mvm.tf/ (when you download the pop file you made it will be formatted into a .txt file format it into a .pop file)

Thanks I know it already ;), but I like the old way manually.
If you want a full list of what work:
-Hatch obiviously x)
-Tank path ;)
-Bomb alarm
-Upgrade station
-Spawning of bots

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

I did it and not need to create a custom map. And nope the old nav file can perfectly work if you don't add gates(mannhattan one) or any prop that can block the way to the hatch

so you edited the map and the gamemode?

Yes without any download required.

But for come back about the question make bot work on payload map is easy, STT's creators can look into the source of MvT, and take it.
From what I recall thundermountain/goldrush/hoodoo/badwater work perfectly with my system giant captures point and deploy the bomb.
The only thing to fix is the wrong way on some map, and fix bug with spawns(thanks valve for haven't fixed it since 2-3 years!)

(BNE) ahim lähetti viestin:

aarmy.Benoist3012 lähetti viestin:

I also found a way to make mvm work on payload map withtout crash and bring custom wave on, I wondering how can look a new gamemode by mixing STT/MvM on payload map, retake the game mechanic of STT payload + mvm bot, and I think whitout create a custom map this can be really cool.

to turn a normal tf2 map into a mvm map you need 3 or more spawnpoints,robot waypoint props (the ones with the bomb carrier icon) a new nav file,a custom popfile (the wave file), a tank spawnpoint and a hatch prop

I did it and not need to create a custom map. And nope the old nav file can perfectly work if you don't add gates(mannhattan one) or any prop that can block the way to the hatch

I also found a way to make mvm work on payload map withtout crash and bring custom wave on, I wondering how can look a new gamemode by mixing STT/MvM on payload map, retake the game mechanic of STT payload + mvm bot, and I think whitout create a custom map this can be really cool.