Definitely PVP for me,
P.S. Would anyone else want to do PVP if there were three factions?

Originally posted by ulthrin:

Gonna make a faction running on Ewoks, Wookiees and slaves(Sisanix)

lol

Originally posted by Recipher:

PVE 6-8 hours

PVP, 3hrs per week at the mo and super lots during the summer holidays

Originally posted by spanj:

RE: Turret limits
We have tried several methods of turret limits in the past and the size class method has worked best so far. Not to say there isn't a better way of doing it.
Mass might not be a bad shout, It would need to be calculated in a comparable way to the current method however so we need to figure out, what mass = how many turrets so it's easy for people to figure out.
And if possible, make so it's a little more generous on turret count than the current system so people are not compelled to make bigger and bigger ships for reasonable turret counts.

As for bases. That is near impossibly difficult to do in a fair way i think especially when you consider space bases that require 3 dimensional defences and ground bases that can be underground and have a single point of entry for example.
I'm not sure what we can do with bases that would keep things fair without completely killing creative freedom.

While I appreciate that mass is not quite as easy, I think that given that it usually takes 20+ hrs to design a good CV I don't think that too many people will have a problem with taking 5mins to spawn the CV into a creative world and checking it's size class.

As for the limit I was thinking of a fith of the mass builds under 100kt, a seventh of the mass for builds under 200kt, a eigthof the mass for builds over 200kt. (to stop huge jugganaughts having a decisive advantage)

For reference the Naganata - (at least the orange and gold publically available one) is 90kt -18 turrets and my battleship that you fought the other day - the adamant is 318kt - 40 turrets
With the current system the Naganata is size class 10 - 20 turrets and the adamant is size class 17 (although I need to do a refit with a pyrimid block layer to stop lag shots which will probably make its size class low 20s) - 34 turrets (current), 40-50 turrets post refit

I know that is slightly awkward numbers for the >100kt range - but they seem the fairest to me and its not too much of a problem to search up calculator on the internet and pop the numbers in

Originally posted by spanj:

RE: Secret bases.
I think this should be something discussed during the meeting on Saturday. My take on it;

I agree that factions are compelled to hide bases to keep assets safe, of course they are, no one wants to lose their stuff.
If we were to make deep space bases illegal and space bases must be within say 10km of the planet, we could perhaps ask the PVE faction to provide a package of goods to get a faction back into the fight.
They could charge for these packages, the more they provide the more expensive etc. If they have no gold to pay then it's loaned until its paid back.

This way there is always a way to come back from near total annihilation.

Sounds a fantastic suggestion, 10K was actually the limit I was thinking of and the suggestion of the PVE factions giving a starter package to anyone who got wiped out fixess the one issue I saw with the suggestion

PS, what do you think about making this limit apply to CV's when they are not in use to stop people using CV's as deep space bases

Originally posted by spanj:

RE: Exploits vs Game mechanics
Burying turrets so they can shoot through the ground is taking advantage of an exploit and should be illegal on the server with the ban hammer coming down if repeating the offence.

Using game mechanics to your advantage such as how turrets prioritize targets is fine and is just intuitive play.

Once Eleon implement LOS targeting most PVP builds will be redundant and will require redesign anyway.
For now designs like the Anvil etc are smart and will help you win.
Some people might say 'its not about winning or losing, it's the taking part that counts' and to them I say, go play PVE then.

Hi Spanj, first of all I would like to say I was not objecting to the use of the anvil In any way as in the current system it is totally required to win, however the problem I see with the unlimited number of base turrets is the near impossibility of taking down a base with conventional SV's and HV's and instead needing something like the Anvil to take down the base in the first place which I fear could escalate in to an arms race between more massive amounts of turrets and more massive CV's to absorb the damage.

For this reason whilst I agree that it would be highly difficult to create a fair limit I still feel that it is something woth looking into

Thanks for the support with the turret thing, I also agree with you about the issues with small size class ships but don't really know how that could be rectified. With the secret base issue I wasn't meaning to create issues with creating secret bases but I was wanting to find a work around for people being able to hide vast reserves of resorces on bases 50Km out which are essentially impossible to find

Originally posted by KANE:

The burried turret exploit is bad. My own underground turrets have all the ground cleared out around them so they dont use the exploit. The seperate planets have been the mainstay of past server versions and would defeat the purpose of what they are trying to accomplish. Remember that in alpha 8 there will be much more room and we wont be so cramped.
The two pvp faction idea is not working though. There needs to be at least three to keeps things going. There is always one faction that fizzles out. And with only two factions that leaves the remaining one with nothing to do and thus it too will fizzle out.

Fair point about the turrets - maybe there could be a rule that all bases must be airtight to make sure that no turrets could be hidden underground? and I completely agree with you about the three PVP factions thing, PS what is your opinion on the other topics?

However if turrets target whatever is closest then wouldn't that mean that you could make turrets always target 'the anvil' just by placing it closer than any other unit? meaning that the exploit is still there

Ok fair enough - sorry I was basing my comments on some testing with a similar ship in creative in which all of the turrets seemed to always target the CV rather than any other HV's or SV's in the area - regardless of range.
I would also be happy to remove our underground turrets, however other than a small number of minigun turrets I do not know the location of any of our underground turrets