Publicado originalmente por Eternal_Suffering™:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

it's going to one shoot you if your bad enougth to get killed by a backstab
and if you are not next to your sentry
still need this melee to calm down this faggot without having to switch & reload

Look the support wrench is good as it is. It's not overpowered nor underpowered. In the right hands you won't need to be alert of spies because youll ne with your team supporting them and theyll support you. If you find it hard to kill spies then be more alert of your surroundings dont be a little pussy relaying on random crits when you can have skill

You can kill without, it's just funnier to piss them off with one and read them rage in the chat
Random crit are fair and balanced, made by valve and not so random
random crit are based on how many damage you dealt
the more damage you deal in a short amount of time, the most likely a crocket will be launched
sorry if my english is bad I don't even care, but here is some explaination

Publicado originalmente por Coolskeleton95:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

A good spy won't be noticed until he is at close range and a spy knife deal 35 damage -_-
up to ~600 if he backstab
Im a pompson fan, and the melee is the best option cause of crit who deal 195 damage é_è
trust me you don't want to meet the random crit

you're relying on random crits, if it doesn't work he's going to run away or kill you
and it doesnt matter if its 600 or 1800, it's going to 1 shot you.

it's going to one shoot you if your bad enougth to get killed by a backstab
and if you are not next to your sentry
still need this melee to calm down this faggot without having to switch & reload

Publicado originalmente por Orion™:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

ok listen, their is 2 way of modifying attack rate ok
attribut 5 at 2 is 2 time slower and at 0.5 is 2 time faster
attribut 6 at 1 is 2 time faster and at 0.5 is half faster
other way are situational or hidden

Wrong "fire rate penalty" (5) and "fire rate bonus" (6) have only one difference, which is : Modifying the color of the attributes' description and the description itself, making the description false,because sometimes, there's attributes without a "penalty" or a "bonus".

Using "fire rate penalty" "0.5" is the same as "fire rate bonus" "0.5", the only thing that will change is this :
(5) ►" -50% slower firing speed"
Which is completely wrong, it will be +50% FASTER.

(6) ► "+50% faster firing speed"
Which is correct.

Another case, when slowing with "fire rate bonus" "2", you'll get something like this : "+100% fire rate bonus", which again, is wrong, it's +100% SLOWER.

And that goes like this for every attributes. Now, here's a good example of bad formatting from Valve.

"max health additive bonus" "20" gives us "+20 max health on wearer."
That's good, now, if we use -20 instead with the same attribute, it will show this : "+-20 max health on wearer." (or -+, it depends).

yeah I wanted to say "2 time slower"
The attribut 5 seems to be easier to use for my FF boss config so I use only it
Me frappez pas T_T il fait peur le Momonga

the attribut 5 seems to multiply the value of the delay between 2 attack
the attribut 6 just substract the delay by a % of the delay

Publicado originalmente por Coolskeleton95:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

Wrench have a good crit chance thx to Sentry, I offetly kill annoying spy with it

that is true, but you have a shotgun, you can use your shotgun, and it kills spies without having to get into melee range. your wrench does 65 damage, their knife can do 1800.

A good spy won't be noticed until he is at close range and a spy knife deal 35 damage -_-
up to ~600 if he backstab
Im a pompson fan, and the melee is the best option cause of crit who deal 195 damage é_è
trust me you don't want to meet the random crit

Publicado originalmente por Coolskeleton95:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

-_- stupid, you want remove melee damage ?

would compensate for a faster attack speed, and who actually attacks with the wrench anyway? that's why the jag is so good, no need for damage, just building.

Wrench have a good crit chance thx to Sentry, I offently kill annoying spy with it
and the engi melee is so funny é_è

Publicado originalmente por Trash Man:

Publicado originalmente por Thrynity:

Ok, now lets melee with engi
+100% don't mean it's instant, it's just 2 time faster (if you use attribut 6)

Not true. The Force-A-Nature fires twice as fast as the Stock Scattergun, yet it only has a 50% faster firing speed.

ok listen, their is 2 way of modifying attack rate ok
attribut 5 at 2 is 2 time slower and at 0.5 is 2 time faster
attribut 6 at 1 is 2 time faster and at 0.5 is half faster
other way are situational or hidden

Publicado originalmente por Coolskeleton95:

Publicado originalmente por Eternal_Suffering™:

True. Its preety balanced

oh. maybe give the support wrench a -100% damage penalty to compensate for it? The support wrench is made to help your fellow engineers with that amazing superdispenser, why not have the ability to upgrade your buddies buildings with ease?

-_- stupid, you want remove melee damage ?

For the little buggy (this old SMG idea who was headshooting people)

the problem of this was the headshoot use at close range
you can fix that problem with

(+) damage ramp up instead of damage falloff (start from 1 to 10 damage x3 with crit multiplier)
(+) +50% accuracy
(-) -25% atatck rate
(-) no damage on body shot

damage rampup will prevent high close range damage
and accuracy will make the player use it more at a decent range

this weapon could suit well with Bow or Support Rifles

If Critical deny damage rampup, remove it and improve damage by x3

Publicado originalmente por Coolskeleton95:

support wrench buff
+100% attack speed
+50% metal reserve

Ok, now lets melee with engi
+100% don't mean it's instant, it's just 2 time faster (if you use attribut 6)

SUPPORT WRENCH DONT NEED BUFF

The lucky drunk solidier
Rocket launcher for dicey player

(+) projectile are homming for ennemies
(+) +30% crit chançe
(-) 150 spread angles penality
(-) -30% non-crit damage