Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by A very spooky Viking:

Sorry if it seems like massive complaints for such little play time, but I know spy fairly well.

Ah, it's fine. The feedback helps to figure out the 'best" way so nothing is underpowered or overpowered.

Balancing with new gameplay is really hard, Valve still have to rebalance their weapon too
Im here since the start and I have saw many change (my fast old reliable T_T)
But since im on the server, I can see the evolution.
Now weapon are more fair thanks to the Post, and feedback
Keep doing your job, you have 3 time more custom weapon right now, and its only a begin I think

Originally posted by A very spooky Viking:

Well here comes a lot from someone whose played spy way too much
Not even sure if you can change the AW weapons but here we go

Knifemare
Problems - Too slow for a spy to make it practical, the stun seems to be more or less broken as consecutive stabs do not count in the stun, the lowered decloak sound doesn't compensate for effectively losing the ability to backstab.

Possible solutions
Overhaul it. Remove the whole stunning and multi hit mechanic, it doesn't work for a fragile class like spy. I'd suggest keeping the lowered decloak sound for a longer cloak and decloak, and give it an attack speed buff but a slow debuff when cloaked.
This will make it more a thing about waiting to attack, rather than jumping in and hoping the stun mechanic actually works, would be best fit for chainstabs where you can kill everyone and safely run away.


Infection
Problem - Again, way too slow for a backstab. The hit noise and damage being done will tip any player that they've been attacked and will set them into a spy checking spree before tapping the cart of a dispenser for health. The massively delayed and easily prevented stab isn't a match for the ability to stay disguised.

Possible Solution
If it is mechanically possible ditch the ability for medics, dispensers, carts, etc from curing the infection. As is a medic would see a stunned player and just pop him to entirely negate the stab. This way the person can prevent the stab from happening if the spy picks a bad spot near a health pack, and makes it compare to other vanilla knives on payload maps. Increasing the timer would help with this new tweak in place, but once you've hit 15 seconds odds are the stab-y can easily reach a health pack, a speed penalty before the stun would need to kick in so they still have a chance, just not much (As opposed to 0 if it was a normal stab)


Tactical Revolver
Problem - The highlighting mechanic seems broken to me, as in I literally cannot see any form of indicator for it. So it's basically a straight downgrade to literally any other revolver.

Solution
Fix the gimmick. I would also advise a debuff application aswell, marked for death seems appropriate for half the duration of the highlight.


Sorry if it seems like massive complaints for such little play time, but I know spy fairly well. It's a glass cannon with a primary instant kill attack. Taking away the spy's ability to get a quick kill and cloak away is like taking away the medic's uber. Yeah it isn't the whole class, but there goes it's big draw. And having to either sit there for four consecutive stabs (Or more if they're being healed) and hoping that all count for a quiet dead ringer is not a worthwhile trade. Ditto for the waiting 12 seconds for a stab, especially when the slightest tap on a dispenser, medic, cart, or small health kit can negate it, just for technically staying disguised (Although as I said above its more than likely the target will notice, kill you, and tap the cart). Even as side grades neither really work, Knifemare needs someone to be alone, away from any sources of noise (To benefit from it's ability), and relies on the stun+hit detection working. And the Infection requires the target be no where near spawn, have a medic in the area, have health kits around, no dispensers available, and be on a non payload map all at once, for little practical benefit (What stab an engie? Stab and sap exists, and his dispenser negates your stab entirely).

Balance arn't here but I agree on some point

Infection is like a normal knife, but on time, it's only troll or useless

Knifemare multi-hit isn't a bad gameplay, it force you to kill without be discovered
but now the attack speed is so low, too much time is needed to kill
would put 33% instead of 25%

Turnabout losed is potential too due to less attack speed for the same result

Duke, it's only after-kill effect and isn't so usefull, boosting a bit the weapon could be gud

Tactical revolver is a bit broken im agree, it deal normal damage... that not what a support gun is supposed to do

Stab'n'away is a good gameplay idea, but the decloak is SOOOO long
I would prefere to sun the knife (like razor back) after kill and reduce to +0.5 the cloak/decloak time

Originally posted by Thrynity:

Originally posted by ☆ K200 Wolf ☆:

The Thor - Nado ( Soldier Rocket Launcher )

+ Launches Rocket that can stun Enemy for 2 Seconds
+ Rocket Cannot be Airblasted
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- 25% Projectile Speed
- Spins like a tornado

Shoot 4 rocket, stun for 8 second
you can reload before the stun stop...
THIS IS PERMA STUN

Now it's time to give real stats

(+) projectile spin (increase the hit hitbox so it's a bonus)
(+) +25% projectile base speed
(+) on hit : stun for 0.5 second
(+) on direct hit/crit : stun for 1 second
(-) can stun yourself on rocket jump (still punch you in the air)
(-) projectile loose speed on time, (near 0% it disapear)
(-) -25% blast radius
(-) -33% attack rate

it's possible to create a balanced and skilled nuke
it's hard to fully understand, but it's a possible weapon

(+) projectile speed increase on time (rocket are slow at the begin and gain speed)
(+) no damage fall off (always maximum damage, 120 damage in the center)
(+) +150% blast radius
(+) crit ignite for 4 second (radiation gameplay usefull for group)
(+) +100% damage against buildings
(-) +50% radius damage falloff (deal massive damage only in the center)
(-) -75% projectile base speed
(-) crit do normal damage
(-) +100% damage on self
(-) -75% clip (1 rocket)
(-) -50% carried ammo
(-) -60% reload rate

Ok ok, have you undersatnd ? This is good for Blow up sentry nest
Critical add fire damage, usefull for group or MvM
this can also one-hit kill if you make a direct hit
But rocket jump with this weapon is too dangerous
Take a shotgun for close combat :P

Sniper secondary idea, The Boomranger's trick
Its just a boomrang, projectile type

On hit : drop in-hand weapon (jarate, milk, sandwich, guillotine)
On hit : the boomrang come back to you, +80% charge
The weapon can be taken back whenx he is on the floor
Have 20 second cooldown
Deal 15-45 damage
Headshoot deal max damage and stun for 1/4 second
Slow weapon deploy (like 2 time more)

Attribut idea !

Charged melee, while keeping the fire button with a melee weapon with this effect, the animation will be stopped, and released when ever the player want, during the charge, 2 value can affect the user, increased damage (%), slower movement for the player (%)
Using a UHD like the Bow could be usefull too, but maybe impossible

Charged melee : CM, 2 value (damage) (movement speed)
It can be a bonus/malus effect depending on how much you put

Hommig Missile, really homming at a player, can be "last melee hit target"
could be usefull for a melee weapon for solidier, max 1 tag

Homming Missile : HM, 2 Value (homming force) (duration of tag)

Spooky effect, happy halloween, it just scare the target, different than the regular stun

Spooky effect : SE, 1 value (duration)
can be applied to multiple attack, on taunt (add radius) on hit, on crit, on stab, on headshoot

Crit chance, Just because modify crit chance could be good for some weapon

Crit chance : CC, 1 value (%)

Originally posted by HalloweenTree:

the map crag event can get stuck from the cart not going down the elevator

I have saw it too, the elevator go down, but not the cart, he get stuck and the map end by a defeat, better remove the map

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=115038447

(o) based on scorch shoot, can "donk"
(+) on hit : slow for 3 second (like 0.50 his normal movement speed)
(+) mini-crit on slowed player
(+) +25% reload rate
(-) -50% damage
(-) no afterburn

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948

Pyro melee

---- MELEE ----
(+) on swing : shoot a rocket
(-) +20% fire vulnerability
(-) -50% attack rate
(-) -50% damage
(-) no random crit

---- ROCKET ----
(-) use 10% flamethrower ammo
(-) -10% damage
(-) -50% rocket jump heigth
(-) +3 spread angle penality

Don't forget that the pyro don(t have Blast protection, use this melee at your own risk
but usefull to reach some high place, deal great damage against buildings and can hit at short range

Originally posted by Orion™:

Originally posted by Thrynity:

change your wrench don't destroy buildings,
we can go support and take an old reliable after it whiel keeping the buildings

Gun Mettle update change.

ah sorry, so it's a good strategie ! é_è