yea, I have ideas, i ran out of them due to HOW to balance them no matter how far back to the drawing board. i do like the critisim to see what is wrong, its just it just gets to me how to balance to make it like "yea thats a great idea, i love it." no matter what there are holes in my ideas i never see. so thank you, but i think its time for me to put the pen down unless i thought of something that could have worked in my head, but i know the these idea in this thread dont get added right away.

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Name: Cloak n' Stabber
Slot: Melee
Class: Spy

Stats:

(+) Allows the user to attack while cloaked

(+) Cloaked back stabs marks the target for death and highlights them and nearby allies to the users team

(+) Cloaked back stabs bypasses backpack items (like the razorback)

(+) Successful cloaked back stabs leaves the user unexposed

(-) Cloaked back stabs deals no damage

(-) Cloaked attacks cost 50% of the user cloak meter

(-) Cloaked attacks slightly reveals the user

"This weapon idea i had i mind for a while, but the other ideas from this weapon were just too overpowered since getting a kill from a cloaked back stab no matter how it is balanced will just equal a free kill before dying to the enemy and leave with noobs saying how, so i change this to work as a support weapon to give the users team information to know where the enemy is located for a short time and its a little motion tracker to detect and show near by allies from the target. the mark for death will be its down side if it gets added and players would adapt to it as one player would be like 'i got stabbed, find the spy and don't go near me.' the major cloak cost will make it so that it wont be a easily spammed as a missed attack will leave the user exposed if not careful. despite the stats the knife can still be used to kill your targets as long as your not cloaked as the cloaking features are support function, so you can still be razored for a normal back stab but not a cloaked one as its non-lethal plus its not really were the sniper would expect."

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=112254284&searchtext=

Name: l'attaque surprise (translate: The Suprise Attack)
Slot: Secondary (for you guys who don't understand spy has no primary)
Class: Spy

Stats:

(+) Can shoot while cloaked

(+) Cloaked shots deal mini-crits

(-) Cloaked shots consumes 3 ammo

(-) Cloaked shots consume 100% of cloak meter and denies cloak regen for 5 seconds

(-) bonuses don't apply unless the user is fully cloaked

"I have though of this weapon recently as i was rethinking the Cloak n' Stabber, this might be underpowered, overpowered, or just annoying to deal with, but if i can think of a knife that you can use to attack while cloaked, why not add a revolver too, but it deals more damage while cloaked but will leave you exposed after just one shot, use it wisely."

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=255650660&searchtext=

The Country Killer

Class:sniper
slot: primary

Stats:
+(on kill) gain one stack that increases overall damage by 20% (limit 5)
+(on Headshot kill) gain two stacks and 10% faster charge rate for the next shot
- 50% overall damage
- (missed shot) lose two stacks and 10% slower charge rate for the next shot

A sniper that rewards kills for extra damage, but takes away bonuses if the shot misses. The major damage reduction does hinder the gun but at a full stack it will really shine out there in the battle field, even though a missed shot can make you lose two stacks, but it also reduces the charge rate, so don't miss.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=693165075&searchtext=

Name: The Triple Shot
Class: Scout
Slot: Primary

Stats:
+25% fire rate
(+/-) can fire all shots at once at a full clip (requires 900 damage to do so)
- 50% ammo compacity (3 instead of 6)
- 25% less damage
- 15% weapon spread
(applied from secondary attack)
+applies knockback to target and user
+60% more pellets
- 75% less damage
- 50% weapon spread
- fires all shots at once
- 20% reload speed (only after the shot is taken)

A weapon with a serious kick at the end, launch your enemies with its triple shot effect but at a much wider spread and kickback so bad that its takes time to reload.

so this plays a bit differant, BLU must steal gold from RED, but its still a Payload gamemode

Name: Goldhiest Canyon
Gamemode: Payload
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=479921979&searchtext=gold

This is a good map and I love the concept of it.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=132056781&searchtext=

Name: The Coward Catcher
Class: Demoman
Slot: Secondary

Slot:
+able to charge instanly after a sheild bash kill (up to 3 kills)
+shield bash damage can build up to 200% while charging
+full turn control
+15% charge duration (temperary stat)
+knockbacks enemies on contact
- 75% recharge rate
- can't crit boost melee weapons
- 25% base shield bash damage
- can't knockback 'til 25% depleted
- doesn't not carry Eyelander's damage boost

This is just an update of my old shield "Raging Bull" which has the same stats but now this is a differant model with some different and same stats, there are some stats that are "Temperary" because I'm not sure if this will make it more viable to pratice on the focus of "Shield Bashing." What I like most about this weapon is its ability to ping pong enemies and its damage climb to take out any targets who are retreating, this shield does not carry the eyelander's damage boost due to having its own damage climb while charging from its base damage to its boosted damage, the major drawback it has is its recharge rate, but it balances its major upsides so it be so OP, it carries the tide turner's turning radius cause it helps the ping pong effect, now it can only kill three enemies which means you only charge instantly twice making it 3 charges (the first charge attack is the one you activated, the second/third one are achieved by getting a shield bash kill). the knockback effect of this weapon is perfect for some combos, like a max damage shield bash followed up with a pipe can cause major damage making half-knights more viable.

------EDIT------
fixed the damage penalty after doing some math after this post

WAS: 25 base + 200% = 75 max at charge

NOW: 37.5 base + 200% = 112.5 max at charge

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=219430084&searchtext=

Name: Ragin' Bull
Class: Demoman
Slot: Secondary

Stats:
+builds more damage the longer you charge (goes up to 150% damage boost)
+continuous charging after each shield bash kill (max is 3 shield bash kills)
+full turn control
+(on contact) knockbacks enemies
-can't knockback enemies until charge is depleted at 25%
-75% recharge rate
-(when charging) does not boost melee weapons
-25% damage penalty (before damage boost)
-can't be boosted by eyelander's head count

This shield I came up with is my best one I got, you can boost the damage your shield can do by charging which I think can one shot squishy classes, if they are still alive it can knockback any enemy player away from you or to a cliff. It can reach 150% damage boost in one charge but thats like the crit area given to swords though this shield does not boost swords at all, but if your quick enough it can combo with the eyelander due to its long reach. The shield damage boost does not increase and/deplete after its first and second kill, but the 3 kill or when charge depletes, then it resets to its damage penalty. this shield encourage shield bashing and not the sword boost, and thus its won't gain damage from the eyelander and its reskins due to its heads increasing its damage.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=183430689&searchtext=

Name: Dragons tongue
Class: Pyro
slot: primary

Stats:
*This weapon has a stack counter earn after gain a certain amount a damage
*(500 damage) increase afterburn damage by 15%
*(1200 damage) regain +4 health per second
*(2000 damage) increase speed by 10%
*(3000 damage) activate rage that inceases speed by 30% adn gain mini-crits for 25 seconds (resets stack counter)
-25% damage penalty
-15% afterburn duration
-reflected projectiles are not boosted

I just came up with this idea the rage activate anytime you wish like how the phlog does , but its just minicrits and ends upi reseting the stack counter, give this light or give this hell i don't fucking care.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=8796&searchtext=

Name: Counterfeat
Class: Spy
Slot: Cloak

Stats:
+user is able to attack while cloaked (knife only)
+100% recharge rate while cloaked
- (on invis backstab) completely drain cloak no matter how much is left (instand decloak)
- (on invis backstab) loud decloaking noise
- user can't cloak until 50% full
- can't collect from ammo drops and dispensers while cloaked
- 50% ammo gain from drops
- disables disquise when cloaked
- can't cloak unless knife is equiped

I have decided to brink back my old idea from a long time ago, i have simpilifed it since my original ideas for this idea is like just watch or both knife and watch, but looking back, that is just a lot of work to have that idea to work. This is what I call an Infiltrator Invis Watch where you remain hidden, based off the deadring by modle and almost the same work as a Cloak and Dagger, this isn't motion senitive, you will be fully visible when you run out of cloak or back stab some body, but the backstab decloak is loud as hell, while a normal decloak is quite on this watch. so enjoy if this gets added.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=670097776&searchtext=

Name: Decapitating Carving Knife
Class: Demoman
Slot: Melee

Stats:

(This is a sword, It deploies and holster more slowly)
(displays what type of sword it is by atribute)
(+/-) This weapon can randomly have one of theses Buffs/Debuffs after spawn/respawn
* Pristine: +10% damage and +10% swing speed
* Sharp: +10% damage
* Quick: +10% swing speed
* Bloodborn : +2 damage when health is decreased (max is +20 addintional damage)
* Vampiric: +15 health on kill (no overheal)
* Dull: -10% damage
* Slow: -10% Swing speed
* Broken: -10% damage and -10% swing speed
- Can't change atributes after suicide (to prevent people to get what they want)

There are many sword like this, they all have the same size the same look, but they all act differantly, some steal health after a kill, some deal extra damage and some are so bad that they are a mistake the factory, so why are like the rejects part of this, cause Saxton Hale desides to release all of them to the merc anyway (mainly for demo to play)