Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by KoopaKing64:

Saw the newest video about the jaws of steel and it's fantastic, especially with the new shark meter mechanic.
That said, I do have 2 things I want to talk about and no, it's not anything major but rather small oddities.

First, the speed stat of the fists don't really have a matching equal value compared to the rest of the stats, and here's what I mean by that:
Damage- 25% less dry, 25% more wet
Fire rate- 25% slower dry, 25% faster wet
Walk speed- 50% slower dry, 25% faster wet

You see the difference now? Why isn't the walk speed 25% slower on dry instead of 50? It looks out of place for the eyes but more important it's not doing heavy any favors in his fist fights if he can't keep up with his targets to charge his shark meter.

Now I like to turn everyone's attention to the weapon skin for a moment. The jaws of steel has 2 skins to choose from and while the buck-toothed shark is funny to look at, I prefer the alt version with the sharp knife teeth. But that's just my opinion and I know that people like their shark being buck-tooth, so there's that.

Anyway, good luck with the update.

If you didn't notice, I plan on removing the "This weapon deploys & holsters 50% slower" penatlies since we are adding the "shark" meter.

Due to this weapon's addition, major biological discoveries have been found in the tf2nimals.
You see, the hoovysharks, which can only survive in this server's weapon mineral rich waters and environment, have appeared to not be able to move anywhere else, and therefore, all of them stay within the custom weapon's nutritious confines. But, we have noticed pyrosharks to be... mating... with them, which leads us to believe that the pyrosharks are ACTUALLY all females and are females of a different species, called the mercshark, of which heavysharks are the males. Many pyrosharks migrate here yearly to reproduce, but sadly, most pyrosharks do not, as they are unknowing of the male heavyshark's existence or location. If these ones come across a heavyshark, they might kill them, thinking they are of different species, sadly, leading to an extremely decreased number in mercsharks and reproduction rates. This is why many people considered pyrosharks, which are now known as mercsharks, to be endangered. It wasn't actually poaching, but low reproduction rates that caused the low numbers in their species. I believe that merasmus, in conjunction with a mercenary who has the nickname of crafting, have spread magic upon this land that allows for
1. life for almost any possible lifeform
2. extreme rates of evolution that normally would take centuries
3. new species and phenomenon to develop
4. a insane production of weaponry and enthusiasm for weaponry by the inhabitants

I hope to be in the field, dodging the mercenary's fighting over the precious land, and viewing all the gorgeous creatures of the land in all their glory

Originally posted by sqwid:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Having to switch away from it for the sentry to actually get the kill? You do understand what's wrong with that? A weapon that's supposed to boost a sentries effectiveness having to be switched away from in order for the sentry to be effective?

That's pretty much how the wrangler works in a sense. In most situations, having your sentry do all the aiming is key unless the enemy is outside your range or you need to shield your sentry from incoming damage. Other than that it's best to keep the weapon sheathed away. Same thing with the Sentry Booster, sometimes it's better to have it out and sometimes it's better to put it away. I made a crappy image to explain the thought process of how this would work in normal gameplay to help visualize how this change could work.

http://i.imgur.com/kxfXHBT.png

You obviously don't understand the wrangler. It doubles fire rate and effectively triples health, with almost indefinitely extending range the wrangler was made for
2.) Longer ranges
4.) Anti spy measures
5.) Protection from major damage
6.) Increased damage output

And you really think that its main purpose is the range?

Originally posted by sqwid:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

The knockback combined with a shorter range would make the sentry push enemies out of range, where they could easily destroy it. Making the engineer vulnerable would simply encourage him to hide. The reduced repair rate also might make engineers think that they can't maintain it anyways and, again, hide. Give the sentry 66% damage resistance from enemies outside of it's range and if the engineer is out of the sentries line of sight while holding this, he takes minicrits

It pushes them out of the short range but can also be switch back immediately to another weapon so that the sentry can regain the lost range. I'm not able to test any of the downsides but anything that gives the sentry booster more range and damage then it has now would be appreciated.

Having to switch away from it for the sentry to actually get the kill? You do understand what's wrong with that? A weapon that's supposed to boost a sentries effectiveness having to be switched away from in order for the sentry to be effective?

Originally posted by sqwid:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Sqwid, your signal booster remake is still weak. At least grant the sentry the wrangler damage resist along with the wrangler repair rate, and the engineer being vulnerable is unnecessary

Giving the sentry that much resistance will just lead to the Engi leaving it out all the time and being able to clear an area with no work involved. The sentry is made stronger and with no cooldown to it when switched to another weapon, so having 66% resistance would make it very OP, even with the smaller range because the Engineer can just switch weapons quickly and the sentry immediately covers the area that it had lost before. The vulnerability is for the Engis would no doubt leave the weapon out the whole time without thinking and camp in a corner while the sentry does all the work. Considering you're going to be hiding behind your buildings anyway far from the action, it's a small downside.

The knockback combined with a shorter range would make the sentry push enemies out of range, where they could easily destroy it. Making the engineer vulnerable would simply encourage him to hide. The reduced repair rate also might make engineers think that they can't maintain it anyways and, again, hide. Give the sentry 66% damage resistance from enemies outside of it's range and if the engineer is out of the sentries line of sight while holding this, he takes minicrits

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Sorry to tell you this, but the version of this mod that is provided for server owners to use is actually a few years old. Don't know why crafting does that, but he does.

Yes and no. There is a public and private verison of the Custom Weapons plugin. Both are maintained by 2 different people. We have our reasons for doing this.

Red Plumber I will post links to everything I currently use to make figure out your probems.

I was just telling him what inspirefrost told me

Sqwid, your signal booster remake is still weak. At least grant the sentry the wrangler damage resist along with the wrangler repair rate, and the engineer being vulnerable is unnecessary

Originally posted by Red Plumber:

tf2attributes.smx is broken! (Also compiling tf2attributes.sp will result in an error about some commands never being in the retail version of tf2?)

Sorry to tell you this, but the version of this mod that is provided for server owners to use is actually a few years old. Don't know why crafting does that, but he does.

Good to see that pulling people here is working out

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

There's no list. It's just you sugguestions on weapons that might needs changes.

you do realise if we dont have a list of weapons we cant give our thoughts on OP or UP weapons? Also, Loreknight also litterally said in the other thread that the server has tons of stats with shit stats, so that would imply their would be a list.

Mate, calm down. Players put their rebalance suggestion ideas here based on what they think and their gameplay experience related to the items. The staff need people to test and use and play the items to get feedback about the items. There is no list specifically, just what players think

Maxine
heat meter.Over time when heavy is spun up, he will increase move speed from normal spun up move speed to unspun heavy move speed over a period of 5 seconds. Each of these 5 seconds increases incoming damage by 5%

We start small with only this stat. Other stats will be added if necessary/wanted