Originally posted by Hell-met:

I hereby ban Package, Andrew, Skin King, thefat, eyes, consulcast, randomguy from ever playing one of my submissions in a judging context again and ask for a re-run.

• dexc34 (Scout)
  
• Bazooks (Demoman)
  
• DrCactus (Medic)
  
• consulcast (Sniper) in-game nickname is "belarusian toyota dealership"
  
• A+Drew (Heavy)
  
• Package O' Lies (Soldier)

• Beggar's Mortar
  
• Chainsaw
  
• Missile Launcher

• Unless you're crushing the mission hard, you often have to escort and/or wait for the bomb carrier in order to win after you've killed the main wave. This part tends to be very boring.
  
• Red tanks tend to not have much going along with it; making it a snooze for the ones stuck doing tank duty.
  
• Lower level sentries felt more painful than the level 3 ones since they hide behind low fences and the likes of it. (optional)

• Rocket Specialist removal is very questionable as Soldier already struggles to keep up with Demoman; and the upgrade also costs $300

• The blimp can vary a lot on how much trouble it makes depending on which path your blu bots take
  
• The blimp could also stay lower for a little longer to give shorter ranged classes more opportunity to do damage with it (optional)

• Mudun (Medic)
  
• Seelpit (Engineer)
  
• Yuugi (Heavy)
  
• DaMno (Soldier)
  
• Braindawg (Sniper)
  
• ledderfayes (Demo, wave 1 only)
  
• Perper (Pyro, wave 3 onward)

• The Fighter Rifle

• Some parts felt rather bulk-heavy, slowing the mission down a little.
  
• Sentries felt a little too bulky in particular, considering players aren't giants like in Numerator and have less damage output.
  
• The mission was on the long side, nearing 40 mins. This could be something to watch for in upcoming judging runs.

• The Black Box feels like the weakest of the launchers, with its notably low damage output even at point blank being a major downside, despite the powerful healing it grants.
  
• The PDQ felt somewhat awkward to use, being quite usable earlygame thanks to the super-fast sentries, but falling behind in the lategame because of its lack of upgrading.
  
• The Fighter Rifle felt powerful, without necessarily outclassing other rifles.
  
• The W+M3 felt like a downgrade once hitting 90+ ping, as Perper experienced. It's hard to focus fire on anything, with stock suspected to outdamage it.

• With the roof sentries still intact, there are a lot of "layers" to get through before being able to deploy the bomb, padding out the mission's length.

• The engineer did not get immediately targeted by a Buster, for some reason.

• The Super Scout subwave was somewhat boring, considering they weren't particularly deadly - moreso fast nuisances.

Originally posted by ♓Seelpit♓:

General Feedback:

• Some parts felt rather bulk-heavy, slowing the mission down a little.
  
• Sentries felt a little too bulky in particular, considering players aren't giants like in Numerator and have less damage output.
  
• The mission was on the long side, nearing 40 mins. This could be something to watch for in upcoming judging runs.

Originally posted by ♓Seelpit♓:

New Weapons/Rebalance Feedback

• The Black Box feels like the weakest of the launchers, with its notably low damage output even at point blank being a major downside, despite the powerful healing it grants.
  
• The PDQ felt somewhat awkward to use, being quite usable earlygame thanks to the super-fast sentries, but falling behind in the lategame because of its lack of upgrading.
  
• The Fighter Rifle felt powerful, without necessarily outclassing other rifles.
  
• The W+M3 felt like a downgrade once hitting 90+ ping, as Perper experienced. It's hard to focus fire on anything, with stock suspected to outdamage it.

Originally posted by ♓Seelpit♓:

Wave 1:

• With the roof sentries still intact, there are a lot of "layers" to get through before being able to deploy the bomb, padding out the mission's length.

Wave 2:

• The engineer did not get immediately targeted by a Buster, for some reason.

Wave 4:

• The Super Scout subwave was somewhat boring, considering they weren't particularly deadly - moreso fast nuisances.

• Dr. Cactus (Heavy W2 onwards)
  
• Averagegamer (Sniper)
  
• UltimentM (Soldier W5 Medic)
  
• beeabee (Engineer)
  
• Skin King (Spy)
  
• Marblemyth (???)

• -3 Uber duration

• Chainsaw
  
• Riot Gun (Heavy)
  
• RPG

• Time spent in mission is very relative to team performance.
  
• New teams will have trouble with waves, and most likely end up slogging through, while experienced teams will fly through most of them.
  
• to add to this, certain subwaves drag on, and can do with a slight totalcount reduction

• Chainsaw - Chainsaw is a high skill ceiling Heavy primary. Incentivizes heavy players to buy passives, and play like a melee class.
  While more difficult to wield than the base minigun, it allows for great dps potential, and has fun movement tech to further the skill ceiling.
  
• Riot Gun (Heavy) - riot gun is a powerful secondary that allows heavy to have powerful movement nearly on par with soldier. It's long range, but low damage makes it a good compliment to the chainsaw.
  
• RPG - Solid weapon, allows for unique combat options for soldier.

• Demo + Gknight subwave near the end drags on a bit. Lower the total count by a small margin.

• Crit bowmen + uber combos can be a bit problematic to pacing. I recommend either removing their always crit, or converting the uber medics to big heal.

• Make the barricade busting tank spawn a little faster. There is an akward pause between the subwave ending and tank spawning, where players will just stare down the giants.
  This confused some of our new testers. Making it spawn a little earlier should alleviate this issue.

• Crit Batts subwave is mostly fine, but can drag on a bit. Lower the total counts by a small margin.
  This hopefully shouldn't lower their power too much since most of their damage is generally done at wave start.
  
• Gshotun horde at the end is a bit problematic without a medic. Huge Damage sponges, and do massive burst damage, even with resistances. Either lower total number, or spread out their spawn locations, or spawn times.

• Most of the wave is good. Most problematic part is the finale (I know, I'm sorry)
  
• Crit soldiers are a lot to deal with for most players, and the escort gauntlets aren't really that fun to defend.
  Perhaps instead of a normal FoS as the escort, make it into a weak captain punch? increase his vulnerability to melee to keep
  the red FoS as a threat, and lower his damage so he cant just run over opposition.

Originally posted by Dr. Cactus:

Wave 1:

• Demo + Gknight subwave near the end drags on a bit. Lower the total count by a small margin.

Originally posted by Dr. Cactus:

Wave 2:

• Crit bowmen + uber combos can be a bit problematic to pacing. I recommend either removing their always crit, or converting the uber medics to big heal.

Originally posted by Dr. Cactus:

Wave 3:

• Make the barricade busting tank spawn a little faster. There is an akward pause between the subwave ending and tank spawning, where players will just stare down the giants.
  This confused some of our new testers. Making it spawn a little earlier should alleviate this issue.

Originally posted by Dr. Cactus:

Wave 4:

• Crit Batts subwave is mostly fine, but can drag on a bit. Lower the total counts by a small margin.
  This hopefully shouldn't lower their power too much since most of their damage is generally done at wave start.
  
• Gshotun horde at the end is a bit problematic without a medic. Huge Damage sponges, and do massive burst damage, even with resistances. Either lower total number, or spread out their spawn locations, or spawn times.

Originally posted by Dr. Cactus:

Wave 5:

• Most of the wave is good. Most problematic part is the finale (I know, I'm sorry)
  
• Crit soldiers are a lot to deal with for most players, and the escort gauntlets aren't really that fun to defend.
  Perhaps instead of a normal FoS as the escort, make it into a weak captain punch? increase his vulnerability to melee to keep
  the red FoS as a threat, and lower his damage so he cant just run over opposition.

• Chainsaw
  
• Missile Launcher
  
• Riot Rifle

• Soldier (Braindawg)
  
• Heavy (Lemonee)
  
• Pyro (Hell-met)
  
• Sniper (Averagegamer)
  
• Engi (Perpere)
  
• ??? (Laughs-At-Dispensers)

• Dustbowl Eagle
  
• Budgie Booster
  
• Tranquilizer Gun
  
• Fire Retardant Suit
  
• PDQ
  
• Crossbow for Sniper
  
• Fighter Rifle

• Dustbowl Eagle - A decent anti-building option even when unupgraded.
  
• Budgie Booster - Some decent mobility gain from sacrificing your secondary on the classes it's available on.
  
• Tranquilizer Gun - A fair trade-off between taking down buildings faster yourself with your revolver versus stunning them for your teammates and supporting through marks.
  
• Fire Retardant Suit - Boring but it has a niche.
  
• Crossbow for Sniper - Nice ranged healing at the expense of damage potential. Can still put some good hurting on faraway buildings with ranged ramp up and on giants with headshots. Allows Sniper to serve as an alternative for Medic.
  
• Fighter Rifle - Brainless in a sense as you're just holding down your M1 button on buildings/giants but fine balance-wise.

• The crit Super Scout wave that spawns if the tank dies is still a drag, largely because you have to wait for the super scouts to spawn then run over to the team. Even if this wave were excised or shortened there is already a "punishment" for teams that do not defend their tank because they have to take more time completing the wave as there is still the Giant Heater Heavy subwave immediately after. You can make the super scouts spawn faster or add something else to shoot at in this subwave — just make it less of a boring wait.

• You might want to check GShotgun horde at the end. It was fine because I went heavy with pene but it's still a lot of health to chew through without one. (feedback might be redundant with v3 changes)

• The Cloned Gauntlets can be a bit uninteresting and a little long to take down, basically being giant HP walls you have to work through before getting to the rest of the wave.
  
• The finale is still a little lackluster comparatively, basically just being an escort of one single gauntlet against other gauntlets plus shield meds (especially if Sire is killed before the BLU gauntlet spawns). A suggestion made was to change this BLU gauntlet to a weaker Captain Punch and then scale the RED bot threat accordingly.

• Dylan_is_legend (Scout)
  
• LASER ACE (Soldier)
  
• DaMno (Medic)
  
• Lemonee (Engineer)
  
• Mudun (Sniper)
  
• Perecivel (Heavy)

• Black Box
  
• Riot Rifle (Soldier)
  
• Rustung
  
• Fighter rifle
  
• Chainsaw
  
• Budgie Booster

• Mission felt very good & enjoyable, pacing and flaw of the waves and wavebars are clean.
  
• Sentries hp scalling with every wave is a good difficulty aspect fitting into the upgrading of players.

• Black Box damage buff is good with its huge healing efficiency, shooting 3 rocket at the same time makes the player immortal & dealing good chunk of damage
  
• Rustung as a very supportive medigun gives ubered players speed, fire rate and reload speed bonus, upgrading its uber rate makes it one of the best mediguns.

• Waiting for Super Scouts is a little boring and slow.