Just before I give a shot at answering these, remaking a discussion that was closed previously wont help the case you are trying to put forward, and the mods decision is final. But we'll disregard that, ill try again.

The ban IS the warning. If a user has several relisted trades (like yourself) then the trades are closed and the user is banned for a set amount of time. This grace period before the ban and the unban gives the offender a chance to realise that what they were doing was wrong, and if they do it again, they will be banned for longer, or even perm banned, common sense really. Adding in a warning before a ban is not needed, and, as i said in your last post would just add more work for the staff.

"1. His post did not mention anything about the actual suggestion that I had provided. Nooge provided a reasonable reply, but given hemiola did not provide a reason for why the suggestion should be declined, it would make sense to re-open it, or provide reason (or side with Nooge)."

BSoD Didnt need to reply to your ticket because (Just assuming here) I had already answered your query, no need to repeat information. He did how ever give you information about why your trades were infact relists.

"2. My trades were not relisting. Each trade had unique crate series and therefore was showing all of the different crates I was selling. Relisting would be the same crate series on multiple trades. I can't help that they all have the same intent, to sell my crates. As stated by VoxDei for the reason they got closed, "Relisting.
Even if the crates are different, your text in each is exactly the same. This violates our relisting rule." (http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7825039) The reason it was deemed relisting was due to the text. hemiola's comment directly contradicts VoxDei's reasoning. If there was different text, there would be no reason to close the trades for relisting (at least of the two options to qualify as relisting, same items or same text)"

Both BSoD AND VoxDei have told you, no trades with the same purpose. You saying that you cant help it is just a straight lie, as you can just have 1 trade up, saying that you are trading crates, not just the ones listed in the trade, you can even add the spreadsheet link.

So disregarding that the mods comments were contradicting, your trades were open with the same purpose, and are closed permanently because of it. You now know that you shouldn't do this again, or there will be an even longer ban waiting for you, going back to my first point about how the ban is the warning.

Hope this clears things up.

for the closed suggestion, I would have been satisfied with him citing your answer as the reason for it being closed. It jsut wasn't clear that that was the reason why.

"Both BSoD AND VoxDei have told you, no trades with the same purpose. You saying that you cant help it is just a straight lie, as you can just have 1 trade up, saying that you are trading crates, not just the ones listed in the trade, you can even add the spreadsheet link."

So if I have more than 8 hats, I can only have 1 trade with hats on it if I list all their prices on it? Given that the text searching isn't as concrete a search as by item, it's easier to find people selling stuff when they have the item up for trade, compared to listed in the trade notes.

The text search function on outpost is nice, but it doesn't have the intelligence to deal with misspelling or abbreviations, or details following a link. That's why having multiple trades showing the different crates for sale is preferred, it gets better exposure without duplicating trades entirely. With your interpretation, I am limited to advertising 8 out of many different items I have for sale (albeit they are all crates, but different series, which means a lot more than different weapon/hat levels/craft numbers)


Also, are you part of tf2outpost (such as mod, admin, or something?)

"So if I have more than 8 hats, I can only have 1 trade with hats on it if I list all their prices on it? Given that the text searching isn't as concrete a search as by item, it's easier to find people selling stuff when they have the item up for trade, compared to listed in the trade notes. "

Unfortunately, yes. If you are looking to sell all your craft hats that you own in your backpack using backpack.tf prices. You can only have one trade open stating this. As having any more open would be having multiple trades open with the same purpose. Relisting. Yes it would reduce the possibility of someone wanting to buy a particular hat off it, but these are the rules set by the staff and they are there for a reason, to clear up the spam on the site.

If relisting WAS allowed, then the site would be filled with millions of repeated trades, and its too much for the site to handle. As a mod said before me, 3 users with 8 relisted trades each equals 24 relisted trades, which would take up the front page of OP and then some. Now imagine that but with the current 750,109 current registered users. It would be too much to handle.

"Also, are you part of tf2outpost (such as mod, admin, or something?)"

Nope, just trying to give people a faster response to questions, considering time zones and everything. If you would prefer a mod to answer your questions, I wont take offence, but they will pretty much say what Im saying right now.

" One purpose, one trade. "
If you can recall that, none of your trades will ever be closed for relisting. I can promise you that :)

The problem with your trades weren't the items listed on the 'Have' side, Therefore, altered notes will not have prevented the closure of your trades.
Your trades all shared the same goal, to sell every crate series you had for sale.
Your notes made that very clear, that you had a single shared purpose. To sell crates via a single shared spreadsheet.

Don't re-create trades that are the same as the trades the staff had just closed.

And not only that, you had made a list shaming users publicly. That alone would have been enough to close your trades.

Just a tip, be polite. Traders prefer to trade with polite users.

I told you the reason why they were closed and said there are no warnings, therefore I addressed all your concerns. We will not change the rules or the warnings so there is no point discussing this.

Originally posted by LiddoJunior:

Your trades all shared the same goal, to sell every crate series you had for sale.
Your notes made that very clear, that you had a single shared purpose. To sell crates via a single shared spreadsheet.

If you want to sell all your crates either list each series and put their individual prices on each trade or make one trade with random series and a link to the spreadsheet showing everything you got. Doing both things at the same time is relisting.

You addressed the closing concerns, but did not mention any correct anwser in the closing of the thread.

Relisting because on each trade it has the same crates listed for sale (all the ones on the spreadsheet, even though they are not directly for sale)

Originally posted by ConVict | The_Hairy_Baboon:

You addressed the closing concerns, but did not mention any correct anwser in the closing of the thread.

Relisting because on each trade it has the same crates listed for sale (all the ones on the spreadsheet, even though they are not directly for sale)

As I said before, he didnt need to because i had already said that in your discussion.

Originally posted by Nooge:

As I said before, he didnt need to because i had already said that in your discussion.

As I said before he never confirmed that your statement was correct. That's what I was looking for. someone in a position of authority giving an statement agreeing with another party or providing their own stance