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Zesc 23 Jul, 2014 @ 10:38pm
Anti phisher initiative?
Hello guys, i just thought about a anti-phishing-bot... Or more of them, they have different steamaccounts, with exactly 1 item in the inventory (gifts: i would give one of this:acduck:), the bots make a fake trade on TF2 Outpost with this one item, and wait for a trade request of a phisher, if the profile of the phisher is private they wont add, there they dont help, but when you can see it (like profiles of guys which have just 1 steamgame, they are often scammers, they go very easyly in that trap) the bot will add them. Now comes what shall help: all bots a named like "Every Profile which added this bot is a scammer!!!", or: "!!!DON'T ADD PROFILES WHICH HAVE ADDED THIS ACCOUNT!!!".

What do you think about that? if we have somebody who programms that, and guys whose give items for the bot, it could be a usefull initiative... maybe we start wit 15 to 50 bots??? Please comment.
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anakin whore walker 24 Jul, 2014 @ 12:39am 
I fail to see how this would help. The phishers would add people either way and the more "fake trades" you make the more it clutters the real ones.
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Currier Bell 24 Jul, 2014 @ 3:49am 
All it would take is for the bot operator to find the Steam ID of our bots then and blacklist them for good. We'd have to constantly keep making more and more accounts just to avoid being detected. On top of that, most bots would be buried into the friends list of the phisher and would require someone to manually check in order to find it, resulting in more effort needed than would probably be done by just blocking the suspicious bot outright.

It just comes out to a massive workload without any real way to measure stressfulness and requires users to put effort in additional effort.
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Sunny! 24 Jul, 2014 @ 8:40am 
Originally posted by Currier Bell:
All it would take is for the bot operator to find the Steam ID of our bots then and blacklist them for good. We'd have to constantly keep making more and more accounts just to avoid being detected. On top of that, most bots would be buried into the friends list of the phisher and would require someone to manually check in order to find it, resulting in more effort needed than would probably be done by just blocking the suspicious bot outright.

It just comes out to a massive workload without any real way to measure stressfulness and requires users to put effort in additional effort.
Look on the bright side. According to this guy the Scammer Population is going down by the fake accounts. Team Phisher Bot due to Scammers being more gullible! Yay!



Originally posted by Zesc7:
Originally posted by Currier Bell:
All it would take is for the bot operator to find the Steam ID of our bots then and blacklist them for good. We'd have to constantly keep making more and more accounts just to avoid being detected. On top of that, most bots would be buried into the friends list of the phisher and would require someone to manually check in order to find it, resulting in more effort needed than would probably be done by just blocking the suspicious bot outright.

It just comes out to a massive workload without any real way to measure stressfulness and requires users to put effort in additional effort.
...Okay? I didnt realy understand your meaning, and google translator donT help me realy much... (streesfulness?????)


Uhhh... he never used Google Translate. He speaks english. He don't NEED Google Translate.
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Currier Bell 24 Jul, 2014 @ 1:25pm 
I'll rephrase the post to make to hopefully make it easier to translate.

If a phishing bot owner finds our bot's ID, they will put it on a list for the phishers to not add. We would have to make more and more bots to keep up.

Users would have to look on the phishers friends to find the bots, which is more work than they do now. It isn't worth it for either us or the users to do these bots. And since these are Steam accounts and not Outpost, we have no way to know if it would work or not.



Originally posted by •L•R• MrOmNomNom3:
Uhhh... he never used Google Translate. He speaks english. He don't NEED Google Translate.

Please don't be rude. It was an awkward word for sure. English is a weird language and I'm amazed at how many people can pick it up.
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norby89 25 Jul, 2014 @ 4:15am 
This idea is great and all but what will you do with the list of phishers? They are throwaway accounts that will be used for 1-2 days max.
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norby89 25 Jul, 2014 @ 8:35am 
That doesn't answer the question, how is the list useful for anyone?
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lukey pooky 25 Jul, 2014 @ 12:26pm 
This won't do anything. More and more of these phisher bots are made a day. I now this by looking at my blocked users. I have 4 bots called "[unassigned]" along with many with the same names and default pictures as others. A lot of the bots that add me don't even have their steam community stuff set up. Making anti-phisher bots would be pointless.
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SHPIMP 25 Jul, 2014 @ 8:00pm 
Ya, making a list doesn't accomplish what you want. Even if you put a restriction on signing up to use TF2Outpost, like age of steam account or hours on TF2, they'd just farm it and be back in the required time. The best they can do is educate their traderbase, until the phishers give up from lack of success or think of something new to try.
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HusKy 26 Jul, 2014 @ 10:36am 
Yep, I think you are the only one who understands this genius idea.
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HusKy 27 Jul, 2014 @ 8:17am 
So, your whole idea is based on assumption that phishers will start making some sort of black list? Good luck with that.
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kléni 27 Jul, 2014 @ 8:18am 
First problem: Why the hell would they make any kind of lists? Why would they care who they add (bots or humans)? They add 5 bots, and 100 humans a day, doesn't matter.
Second problem: checking friend lists take much more time than removing pishers. 10 users will check the names, but other 200 won't.
3rd problem: Pishers create 3000 new accounts a day. You'll block 30 of them.
4rd problem: Never think they won't add you. They want money, and they'll always have new ideas to scam people.
Last edited by kléni; 27 Jul, 2014 @ 8:18am
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