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Terminus 27 Jan, 2014 @ 12:20pm
Premium Members, Old Trades. Rarely Online
Hey Guys

Just something that's been bothering me. Premium members

Trades such as these:

- http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3385686
User Profile: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/profiles/76561198045665306

- http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4992652
User Profile: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/profiles/76561198037775842

Firstly the trades are over 1 year old
Some of the prices are unrealistic - Selling 1 Ref strange items at 1 Rec
Users haven't been online for a while, 15 Days, 30 Days, etc

Would it be better to have a system where the trades are auto bumped only when the trader is online / or if they have been online for the last 4 Days?
Not sure how best to deal with this - as when you promise something, it's difficult to take it away.

I just tend to avoid Premium users, since most of the time they tend to be offline; If their prices are good I'll first go to their profiles and have a look whether they are online. However - it is frankly a hassle and non-premium members are easier to deal with for just this reason. A number of Premium users also have a complicated set of rules and instructions to follow :) Just too overly bureaucratic :)

How about a quick indicator of whether the user is online or not? Ask them to include the use of Trade Offers in their Posts.

Just my thoughts on Premium Members - It just seems that there are too many of them :) For that 1 reason - Premium just doesn't seem worth it.

Perhaps things will improve after an year or so.
Thanks
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Terminus 27 Jan, 2014 @ 12:23pm 
The above probably doesn't apply to a lot of premium members; but it does apply to a large number of traders - for various reasons.
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inuyasha 27 Jan, 2014 @ 12:37pm 
yeah, premium really doesn't worth it, especially after the payment change, from keys and other items to money, my friend told me he got premium paying a bill's hat, back when they still accept keys, that was a long time ago, and yet after they changed the payment to money, he told me they gave him an extra year of premium, wtf? i don't think a bill's worth that much time, yeah, premium really sucks, i really hate this auto-bump thing, most of the time people aren't online, it sucks to trade with these people.
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Terminus 27 Jan, 2014 @ 12:53pm 
Hey inuyasha

The Pricing discussion is not something I'd like to discuss here. It's been explained a number of times, and even though I don't particularly support the fact that you can't pay with items - I do understand why they moved out of it - Their justification is fine. Premium is an optional feature as well - The site provides great features for both premium and non-paying users.

Auto Bumped trades are a good thing for premium members, however - like any system, there are unintended consequences.
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NaCl-y Pancake 27 Jan, 2014 @ 1:23pm 
The auto bump is almost a necessary feature of premium. It is the only feature that is worth paying for and as such needs to be there or the site will not be able to afford to stay up. Regardless of anyone's opinion of the new premium system (and as someone who donated back when it was very strongly implied that one payment would last for life I am unhappy about it personally) it is certainly understandable for them to have gone the way they have. If they were to take away the Autobump then that would turn a lot of people away from donating since they wouldn't get much out of it.

This does have some unfortunate side effects like the traders who leave trades open for years without updating prices or even actually trying to sell the items in the trade. I as a premium member actually try to find trades of non-premium members when I am buying something since they are usually easier to catch online. Even still I think doing away with Auto Bump would hurt the site overall due to a loss of "income" needed to pay for keeping the site up.

A solution might be to make it so that someone has to log into the site every X days (where X is whatever number of days site staff determine appropriate) or the trades stop auto bumping.

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Terminus 27 Jan, 2014 @ 1:32pm 
"A solution might be to make it so that someone has to log into the site every X days (where X is whatever number of days site staff determine appropriate) or the trades stop auto bumping."

I had stated something similar in my first post - It would be better to implement such an option; along with a status indicator that tells you whether a user is online or not. That, along with making better use of Trade Offers will greatly help things.

The issue I have is not with Auto bumps as such - It is with it's use - the extended periods of it being used when users haven't been acive for over 4 days or so.
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Terminus 30 Jan, 2014 @ 10:34am 
There are some Premium members who want an option to switch off / on auto-bumps when they are offline; https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/0/558746745577866753/
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Bongo 30 Jan, 2014 @ 11:45am 
Was just about to make a similar thread, it's got to the point where I ignore all premium posts because 90% of the time it's a waste of time.
A simple solution would be auto bump only lasts a week or a few days.
Last edited by Bongo; 30 Jan, 2014 @ 11:46am
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Terminus 30 Jan, 2014 @ 12:00pm 
Originally posted by BONGO:
Was just about to make a similar thread, it's got to the point where I ignore all premium posts because 90% of the time it's a waste of time.
A simple solution would be auto bump only lasts a week or a few days.

That's 1 neat method of going about it; Additional suggestions I could think of - An option for Premium users - of having Autobumped trades only when they are online; A status indicator that is lit when you are online and not when you are offline; Making Trade Offers Mandatory for Premium users.

Thanks for the Feedback - Looking for more potential suggestions for this unintended consequence of Non-Stop Auto-Bumps.
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Terminus 30 Jan, 2014 @ 12:21pm 
Just made a suggestion based on the the post

Link: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/6/558746745645505625/

Feel free to post your ideas and suggestions over in that post
Thanks :)
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