You don't need to expressly state it, but you cannot lie about it if asked.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

You don't need to expressly state it, but you cannot lie about it if asked.

So i should report someone if they're like "Selling this clean hat" but it's duped, will he get banned for doing this?

well if u sell a duped hat u should say so as lots of people dont like ...not saying is just not being honest...........

Well some people honestly don't know and maybe honestly believe they have a clean hat. If someone were to come to them with proof, then they could no longer claim it to be clean. I wouldn't advise running to people's trades and just yelling that their hat isn't clean however, it's just in poor tastes in my opinion. You should be checking the hats you're buying anyway, so this isn't the biggest issue in my personal opinion

And to answer the second question, It is up to the buyer to ensure that the hat they're buying is up to their desired quality.

To think up as good of an example as I can, I personally dislike craft numbers on my hats. So if I were on a trade server where these are not readily visible, I could not demand that everyone with a crafted hat state that it would come with one. It would be up to me to ensure that the hat I'm buying meets my expectations.

well i'm very disapointed that people like yourself have this sort of attitude concidering duped hats come from assholes that do the wrong thing by everyone; and i am very sorry that you have this sort of attitude about duped hats, and obviously you don't care whether its duplicated or not. Well mate the facts are that a lot of people don't like dupes and don't want to buy them and to say not to bother checking them is saying that it's okay to dup hats.

Let me make one thing clear, I never said not to check the hats you're buying. Checking the hats you're about to buy is one of the most basic things that people should do to avoid dealing with scammers and this is the first step in keeping them from profiting off of others.

As for the duping question, I'll speak my opinions and I cannot say what the rest of the staff feels about this. I can understand why many people do not want a duped hat, I'm just not one of them that has it become a deal breaker for them. The most common way that duped hats come into existence is that someone has been hijacked or scammed and Valve takes some level of corrective measure to try and rectify what has happened to the victim.

I don't personally care about it because the majority of cases of it are not from some single person maliciously duplicating an item over and over for pure profit, but by swindling two people at once by stealing a hat initially and then selling it to a possibly unsuspecting victim, which could get them barred from trading. I just don't feel that it helps the community to then hit both of those two people with a double whammy after they've gone through all this trouble by suddenly telling them that their items are tainted and worth much less.

Yes there are cases of people finding exploits and there are cases of people knowingly buying hijacked items. I fully believe these people need to be removed from our community and I'll do whatever I can to help, hence why I applied for this position in the first place. I simply don't particularly care to hit everyone who is unlucky to be involved in these situations, as I feel it just separates us and just gives reasons to devalue other user's inventory.

Again, I don't say that people should be hiding the info and that everyone who wants to buy a hat must do a full investigation because they have too high of standards. I'm saying that users shouldn't have to be forced to give out info that is commonly used in ways to devalue hats, and that you should be checking any hat you trade for anyway because it's the best way to prevent scammers/hijackers from profiting.

i agree with wat u say but i wasnt saying that the dupes should be devalued there worth the same as the original . but letting people know its duped is for people that just dont buy them as a rule......thank you for yor comments

No rules about this - you can lie about it , you can say it's clean when its duped or you can say it's duped when it's clean , you can't get banned for it.

now thats an inteligent comment , theres allways 1 in the crowd well everyone knows now not to trust this wombat ,,,,,nice lmao

Originally posted by FOC=PHOENIX=:

well i'm very disapointed that people like yourself have this sort of attitude concidering duped hats come from assholes that do the wrong thing by everyone;

Well I'm also very disappointed that so many people in the community are misinformed and speak up when they don't really know what they're talking about. No, duped hats don't come from assholes, like Currier Bell said, duped hats come from victims most of the time. So why force a rule like that on them that will obviously devalue their hats when they've already gone through so much trouble.

Besides buying non-duped hats is a matter of preference, some people care some people don't. Why force your preference on somebody else just because you don't like duped hats? The ONLY difference between dupes and clean versions is an ID you can't even see without third party tools. There's nothing wrong with not mentioning if the hat you're selling is duped or not, as long as you don't lie about it on purpose. It's the buyer's responsability to thoroughly check that whatever they're buying is exactly what they want.

how can u tell if a hat is duped....and how is it even possabile is it a hack or mod i dont even know the diff

Originally posted by thegreenbucket:

how can u tell if a hat is duped....and how is it even possabile is it a hack or mod i dont even know the diff

Go to backpack.tf, write owners steam account url in search section, click on unusual, click history and if it is duped it will show a line that it is duped

Originally posted by GM.| imFree_:

No rules about this - you can lie about it , you can say it's clean when its duped or you can say it's duped when it's clean , you can't get banned for it.

No, if you say it is clean without any evidence, even after one tells you it is duped you will get banned.