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MemeFortress3™ 10 Dec, 2014 @ 3:42pm
I'd like to have a discussion about the rules.
Three types of post in general.

The "what did you pay" post.
The "take this offer" post.
The "nice hat" post.

I'll preface this discussion with the statement that I have been told that these posts are allowed.

What did you pay?
What purpose does a what did you pay post serve in the context of a trade?

The seller is under no obligation to disclose what they paid. Nor should they be.
This type of post is typically used as a weapon. You see people asking this because they think/hope/wish that the seller is a shark. But they have no evidence.

These posts are nothing less than traps.

Post what you paid? No one will offer more, someone will probably go price your hat.
Don't post what you paid? Prepare for the shark yellers. Prepare for more spam about what you did (or didn't pay).

This kind of post creates a bullying environment where anyone who doesn't know they have the right to say "go mind your own business" gets spammed and overwhelmed by 'veteran' trader types.

Take this offer.
What purpose does this post play in the context of a trade between the author of the trade and the person who made the offer being commented on?

Why is this not viewed as price manipulation?

It just seems really cut and dry to me that telling someone to take an offer is irrelevant at best. (Does your opinion matter in a transaction between two individuals?) If the guy saying Take is a friend of the guy making the offer then I feel this is very very similar in nature to false c/os.

NIce hat.

Is a trade a call for opinions?

I'm seriously confused as to why this post isn't considered spam.

Last edited by MemeFortress3™; 10 Dec, 2014 @ 3:44pm
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Blue Screen of Death 10 Dec, 2014 @ 9:35pm 
Why don't you just hide the posts? If the user insists you can always block them or report them.
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Nooge 10 Dec, 2014 @ 9:44pm 
Theres a simple solution to all of these, if anyone posts these on your trade, just hide them.
What did you pay?
What purpose does a what did you pay post serve in the context of a trade?

The seller is under no obligation to disclose what they paid. Nor should they be.
This type of post is typically used as a weapon. You see people asking this because they think/hope/wish that the seller is a shark. But they have no evidence.

These posts are nothing less than traps.
If you don't want to tell what you paid for the hat, just say you aren't obligated to and hide the post. Sometimes users are interested as to what you paid for an item because other price checking sites dont have a price listed, its not a trap and i very much doubt it creates a 'bullying environment' like you said.
Take this offer.
What purpose does this post play in the context of a trade between the author of the trade and the person who made the offer being commented on?

Why is this not viewed as price manipulation?
While the Take this offer posts are unnecessary calling it price manipulation is a bit extreme, users are just expressing their opinion about what they think is a good offer, which they are free to do, and you are free to hide.
NIce hat.

Is a trade a call for opinions?

I'm seriously confused as to why this post isn't considered spam.
I've seen people say in their trade notes that they don't want anyone on their trades complimenting the hat. It isnt considered spam because it isnt abusive towards the post or the user, while some may think it's unnecessary a simple hide will fix the problem.
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MemeFortress3™ 10 Dec, 2014 @ 9:56pm 
I do hide them. I do block them. I do report them.

And then the next random spammer posts the same commentary, the first guy shows up on his alt (or gets a friend to start posting stuff) and my reports get closed as extraneous.

I'm just a bit perplexed as to why this level of repetitive antagonistic posting behavior is considered to be compliant with the rules.

Is it definitively ok for an individual to just pull up a couple dozen trades and post "nice hat on them", open another couple dozen and post "what did you pay for this" and then go find some of their friends offers and reply to them with "take this offer and run"?


I thought the point was to facilitate the exchange of goods, not provide an open forum for commentary and criticism of the hat, the person posting the trade or the offers on the trade.




I'd like to point out that this type of behavior is not benign in nature... you get enough people asking price and writing they are suspicious of you paying and it CERTAINLY affects the offers received. The suggestion of taking an offer may seem benign (and frankly for those who know what they are doing/have self-confidence it is) but the idea of telling a 3rd party to take the offer that your direct friend has made just doesn't sit well with me from an ethical perspective.






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Nooge 10 Dec, 2014 @ 10:22pm 
I feel that you are over exaggerating how much this happens in your trades, considering out of the 9 trades you have open theres not a single comment that asks how much you paid, that you should take this offer, or even any compliments on the hat. I also havent had a single user say any of these things on my trades (mind you my backpack isn't as extensive as yours). People have a right to express their opinion on what they think is a good deal, what they think is a cool hat, ect. You have a right to hide block and report users. Just say in your trade notes that you do not want anyone saying these things on your trade, and doing so will get them blocked. There doesn't need to be a rule change as some users don't get as upset over these comments.
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Blue Screen of Death 10 Dec, 2014 @ 10:23pm 
Users also have responsibility over their trades. Simple unnecessary comments can and should be hidden by the trade owners. If someone goes out of their way to spam a trade (or multiple trades), or does it after being told not to then it is recommended to report it. We receive over a thousand reports a day and we simply can't bother ourselves with things that can easily be dealt within the realm of a trade.
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