STEAM GROUP
TF2 Outpost by Fanbyte
Membership by invitation only
STEAM GROUP
TF2 Outpost by Fanbyte
160,702
MEMBERS
3,947
IN-GAME
28,760
ONLINE
Founded
7 August, 2011
Language
English
Overview Announcements Discussions Events Members Comments Curator
Hip J 5 Jan, 2015 @ 8:02am
Once again, I've been banned and had trades closed because of how one admin interprets the rules vs. another. Would REALLY appreciate some clarification here!
The following admin banned and closed half of my trades for being relists yet they weren't: Beyond the Sun https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/profiles/76561198007444332 ALL of these trades contain different haunteds with completely different spells applied to them. I realize that quickly thumbing over them they may look like relists, but they are not. Each is unique and individual and valuable (especially when you consider only 300 of each 2014 pyro haunted exist in the game according to stats.tf).

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384434#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384225#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384276#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384383#latest

They also closed my backpack buying trade for "using placeholders to attract attention". However, these aren't emoticons being used for 0 purpose. They are signs that explain that I buy backpacks for paypal. The only emoticon is a wad of cash. Is that too much, is that the infraction? Or is it my objectors that literally say what I'm doing?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24201845#latest

I'm buying backpacks and there's no better way to signify this than to literally spell it out using an objector. There's no set of items I can put in my windows that directly signify what this trade is for any better.

I also had an identical trade opened with those same objector and cash icon for nearly 8 months. However, it too was closed but this one was for "linking my group page", even though another admin told me it was fine because the group page was completely dedicated to my backpack buying process and rep and contained more proof of my legitimacy and more detailed screenshots and explanations of my process. Same trade, but no one ever complained about me using signs:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19426388#latest

SO here's the thing - I keep randomly getting trades closed and banned because of how one admin feels / interprets the rules at the time and it's getting kind of frustrating. I really hate that I might have "offenses" on my account for these minor infractions that could have been interpreted completely differently from one person to another. The relisting bans are completely incorrect. That shouldn't have happened, the backpack buying thread I don't even know if that's legitimately seen as breaking the rules. It's unclear. I would REALLY appreciate someone responding and telling me what I can and cannot do here. Some of these were obviously a mistake and your admins need to pay a little more attention to items to be sure they actually are relists before closing and banning a user for 2 entire days. Is there some way an admin can tag my trades so other admins know to stop closing it or something? Can someone possibly clear up my infraction history too? I don't want to be banned permanently one day for being a serial relister because of a mistake.

Thanks for reading. I look forward to any responses on these matters. :summerghost:
< >
Showing 1-3 of 3 comments
Blue Screen of Death 5 Jan, 2015 @ 8:35am 
Originally posted by Hip J:
The following admin banned and closed half of my trades for being relists yet they weren't: Beyond the Sun https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/profiles/76561198007444332 ALL of these trades contain different haunteds with completely different spells applied to them. I realize that quickly thumbing over them they may look like relists, but they are not. Each is unique and individual and valuable (especially when you consider only 300 of each 2014 pyro haunted exist in the game according to stats.tf).

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384434#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384225#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384276#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24384383#latest

All of your trades use the exact same notes, and advertise similar trades. Some of the items are part of different sets, with the only distinction being their levels. If your goal is to sell pyro sets, why not do it on a single trade? You can't have multiple trades open for the same goal. Trade Rule #4:

No relists. Relisting is creating multiple trades for the same purpose or listing the same item in multiple trades excessively. You cannot have multiple trades open with the same goal, and you cannot have an excessive number of trades open for the same item.

Originally posted by Hip J:
They also closed my backpack buying trade for "using placeholders to attract attention". However, these aren't emoticons being used for 0 purpose. They are signs that explain that I buy backpacks for paypal. The only emoticon is a wad of cash. Is that too much, is that the infraction? Or is it my objectors that literally say what I'm doing?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24201845#latest

I'm buying backpacks and there's no better way to signify this than to literally spell it out using an objector. There's no set of items I can put in my windows that directly signify what this trade is for any better.

Trade Rule #1:

Please do not make trades with...
Items whose features or placements foremost goal is to attract focus — using emoticons to spell words is an example of this.

If you want to show a backpack buying service, use the real world money icon on the left and a backpack/mercenary badge icon on the right (temporarily, see https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/6/616187203893210070/)

Originally posted by Hip J:
I also had an identical trade opened with those same objector and cash icon for nearly 8 months. However, it too was closed but this one was for "linking my group page", even though another admin told me it was fine because the group page was completely dedicated to my backpack buying process and rep and contained more proof of my legitimacy and more detailed screenshots and explanations of my process. Same trade, but no one ever complained about me using signs:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19426388#latest

Advertising Steam groups is not and was never allowed. Main Rule #4:

No advertising. We do not allow users to advertise any other services or websites. You may, however, post links to other trades on this website, as well as links to relevant YouTube videos or related images.
Last edited by Blue Screen of Death; 5 Jan, 2015 @ 8:36am
#1
Hip J 6 Jan, 2015 @ 8:33am 
Are you implying you guys are working on a more specific backpack purchasing icon? You can't put the mercenary in the 'looking for' section. I wish you could - it would be nice if you guys could implement it.

As for objectors - as long as you are using the images to give more details about your trade, I don't see how they're a problem. Using random emoticons to attract attention, sure, I can see how that's an issue when people want to buy them but they're not literally for sell - but the objectors can really be used appropriately, not distractively or to gain attention, to simply elaborate upon your trade. It costs a solid dollar or more to even make one. And if this rule is so clear cut and obvious (as you imply by simply copy pasting the rules) then why did I go an entire year without anyone mentioning or flagging it even with 30 minute autobump premium?

My profession is graphic design and marketing, using objectors in conjunction with a trade is just good advertising. I really wish you guys would rethink your stance on them specifically. If I have 20 strange weapons that all have nice bonus parts on them, it would be very cool if you would allow me to use an objector with a picture of a strange part + "Strange Parts" written on it just so people understand that every strange in the trade has parts. SO many times I get people sending me trade offers for my stranges with parts as if they don't, using something like this really helps prevent it and makes the job of people like me - mass traders, the ones who would like to have TF2outpost premium (and were about to buy it before this whole ordeal), the ones who have been trading since mannco came out and have a completely clean record - it would make those people's trading lives a bit easier.
#2
Blue Screen of Death 6 Jan, 2015 @ 8:49am 
Originally posted by Hip J:
Are you implying you guys are working on a more specific backpack purchasing icon? You can't put the mercenary in the 'looking for' section. I wish you could - it would be nice if you guys could implement it.

There will be more fake icons, some specifically for inventory offers.

Originally posted by Hip J:
As for objectors - as long as you are using the images to give more details about your trade, I don't see how they're a problem. Using random emoticons to attract attention, sure, I can see how that's an issue when people want to buy them but they're not literally for sell - but the objectors can really be used appropriately, not distractively or to gain attention, to simply elaborate upon your trade. It costs a solid dollar or more to even make one. And if this rule is so clear cut and obvious (as you imply by simply copy pasting the rules) then why did I go an entire year without anyone mentioning or flagging it even with 30 minute autobump premium?

My profession is graphic design and marketing, using objectors in conjunction with a trade is just good advertising. I really wish you guys would rethink your stance on them specifically. If I have 20 strange weapons that all have nice bonus parts on them, it would be very cool if you would allow me to use an objector with a picture of a strange part + "Strange Parts" written on it just so people understand that every strange in the trade has parts. SO many times I get people sending me trade offers for my stranges with parts as if they don't, using something like this really helps prevent it and makes the job of people like me - mass traders, the ones who would like to have TF2outpost premium (and were about to buy it before this whole ordeal), the ones who have been trading since mannco came out and have a completely clean record - it would make those people's trading lives a bit easier. [/quote]

It is a problem and as such a rule was added to address it. We have enough data to establish what can and cannot be considered a problem. The rule will stay.

The rule is a few months old, and only a small share of the user base report trades. These are the reasons why nobody reported your trades before.
#3
< >
Showing 1-3 of 3 comments
Per page: 1530 50

All Discussions > General Discussions > Topic Details
Date Posted: 5 Jan, 2015 @ 8:02am
Posts: 3
Start a New Discussion

Discussions Rules and Guidelines