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So could I get any response from someone in charge? Several of my trades are stopped because of this and I don't know what to do now. I need to be back as soon as possible.
I've added the bold style.
That's where the problem lies. Quoting the current relist rule:
Again added the bold style.
Your closed trades had the same purpose: sell all the items listed in the trade notes. And this was even more clear considering you copy/pasted the same text on all of them.
Yes, you are supposed to open a different trade for each set or use 1 big trade to sell all of them. You can't have both. It's not our fault people don't read, sorry.
This has been addressed in the beginning of the post.
It is not "suddenly so wrong". It has always been wrong. People just don't report them enough.
You should either 1) use one trade for each set of cards/games, or 2) use a big trade to advertise all your games/cards.
The action taken was not questionable according to the relist rule, as explained above.
All of your trades were reported by a guy who had his own trades closed for the exact same reason. He used the "everyone does it" excuse, and I said report the trades and we will take care of them. Unfortunately to you they were your trades, but to the staff it really doesn't matter who they belong to as we don't pick/differentiate users.
" Relisting is creating multiple trades for the same purpose"....."You cannot have multiple trades open with the same goal"
So if you have multiple trades with the purpose of gaining metal then you are guilty of relisting, even if the items are completely different. For example 2 trades covering 16 different hats for the purpose of gaining metal would be considered relisting according to the above definition. The author separates the "purpose" of the trade gaining meta/keys or cashing out from listing the same item multiple times. By definition, having more than one trade open with different items for metal/keys or cashing out makes you guilty of relisting. I would guess 99.9% of users are then guilty of said crime rendering the definition a moot point. The definition should be redefined in order to eschew obfuscation and become clear and concise.
Q1: Is it okay to post a trade with whole offer (repeatedly), if I clearly state the price before the whole list? (I see this alternative quite often.)
Q2: Is it allowed to make small individual trades with 8 items per trade (previously called minions) that'd be also linking to the one big trade with the whole offer (previously and further called mom)? (This is very essential and very commonly used. You can take as an example the way I’m buying cards – do not close it if it’s wrong! I’ll manage it myself.)
Q2b: If it’s okay, what do I do if I ran out of stock of item that’s in the head of the mom’s trade? Is it all right if I leave the item in heading as available? (That’s how it’s commonly done on those kinds of trades since we’re not able to reopen the availability of those items and reopening such trade would mean losing all bookmarks.)
Q2c: If the Q2 way isn’t okay, is it all right if I do it like this, when the items of interest don’t repeat? For example: Minion advertises item A and B and it also mentions the mom. But the mom has the list of items only for item C and D. Is this all right? (It’s way much less efficient and it’s just confusing, but it should be fine according to rules and this discussion.)
Q3: Am I allowed to make trades like “selling all my items from page 2 for 1.00 ref” and then making 3 trades with all 24 different items from my inventory, but with the same description – price is 1.00 ref each, also selling all items from page 2 at this price. Is it allowed? (Basically what’s considered as the purpose of the trade here. Selling all my items from page 2 or selling each item listed above for 1.00 ref?)
Q4: Am I allowed to link to my whole offer that's listed on a third-party site? (Typically Google Docs or Pastebin, it’s very commonly used and essential, esp. if Q2 isn’t allowed. But it conflicts with the rule #1 - Links to third-party websites, apart from relevant YouTube or image hosting websites.)
Q5: If I see a relist, or the so-called relist, am I supposed to report all the relists or only one of them?
Q6: If I see the so-called relist, am I allowed to post in the trade saying this way is considered as conflicting with the rules? Or is it considered as spam and I should just report them? And what if the trader, that I’m giving the heads up to, reports me for spamming in his marvelous trade?
I still see it that way. I use this way of listing my whole offer in trades (and then marking up the items in the head of the trade) over 6 months and I had never had problem with it. It’s even very commonly used. If it naturally grows on the market and it’s not restricted while growing, this ways should be allowed. We’re just trying to make our offers more efficient since we’re limited by the way the tf2op works.
This trade got closed for being a relist: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15053791
The other trade open with the same unusual is: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15054140
The purpose of both trades, as you can see, is completely different. If relisting the same item in two trades with completely different purposes is not allowed, please tell me, but I have seen everyone and his brother do it. Specially on trades for unusual offers/cash offers on the same item, trades with a lot of unusuals and all the same in one trade, or even on my own trades:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15053750
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15053742
I already lost my comments from my previous trade which stated how amazing it was and some other compliments/offers, and it's a pain to write new notes every single time. Added for discussion, or just to let me know if I really can't open it again.
Cheers!
You can't make offers for the same items over multiple trades.
No. You can't have the same items listed in more than one trade. Either keep a bunch of minions or one big trade.
If a trade runs out of stock or goes temporarily inactive all the user needs to do is disable autobumping. The trades don't need to be closed on these circumstances.
Yes, you can link to your other trades if you want, as long as they don't advertise the same items.
No, because your goal here is to sell the items from page 2, not only the 8 items. The latter are only "included" in the whole pack - your main goal is to sell all of page 2.
If a link is related to the trade it is usually allowed, unless it's made for advertisement/profit purposes (e.g.: a link to a page with ads).
Only one of them. We check the user's trade list and close all the relists even if they were not reported. It also helps us because it doesn't clog the report queue this way.
It is recommended not to, reporting them is enough. Doing so could also generate problems with the trade owner that could easily be avoided.
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Probably because the trades were not reported until now, or they slip passed us - we are not infallible. The site has a huge user/staff proportion, and a good share of offenses are never reported. We do our best to enforce the rules. It's not because something grew in popularity that it should be allowed, e.g. insulting.
Most people simply want to push the boundaries as far as possible, and they usually do what they see other people do it instead of reading the rules or asking the staff like you just did. It's perfectly possible to sell 1000 games with only 280 slots, all you need is 1 trade with a generic trade icon and a full list in the description. But since there are so many illegal trades bumping every second it makes it hard to have good exposure. The solution is not to join the illegal hype, but dismantle it instead.
This. If you're trying to sell a lot of weapons, there is no way to do it within the guildelines other than hope that someone will actually go inside your backpack and look around for what it is they're searching for. If I have 40 random weapons to sell, I still don't understand why 5 trades with those 40 items spread out is a problem.
On another note, why is it that people get banned for this and yet there are a huge amount of posts with people having a picture of 1 key, 1 ref and then the inside of their post listing 1.5 keys as the price? Clearly false advertising and a waste of time, and against the rules and yet it happens constantly. There isn't enough time in the day to report all of them.
This is covered by the question Q2c I asked. You can use this way as long as you don’t relist anything in the trade’s heading nor the description, plus as long as it’s not considered as the same purpose of those trades. (I’d avoid generalizing the trade, try to be specific as much as possible.)
The 8 slots concept keeps it all nice and clean. It has certain limitations, but I like it. It makes tf2op what it is, I doubt this is ever going to change. Although it’s odd that it’s against the rules to sell items like you were doing (same as in the question Q3), the 8 slots concept naturally forces you to do it like this.
Using 1 key and 1 ref generally means the type of currency the seller is accepting, it’s very common on trades when you’re selling items with different prices. In rare cases, it’s also used on one item trades if seller intends changing the price in future (typically on long-term trades).
Due to some site limitations (inability to un-delete items and # of slots), it's generally acceptable to use 1 key/ref/bud as a placeholder for x keys/ref/buds. Some items' prices fluctuate a lot and therefore making use of a placeholder is a good solution to keep a trade open in case the buy/sell price changes.
The problem occurs when the item's price is too close to the placeholder value - it could be interpreted as misleading.