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Derelgamer 2 May, 2013 @ 2:46am
READ TRADE DESCRIPTIONS
God demn it. What happened to traders using tf2 OP. I remember when i started using OP everyone read trde descriptions and there never was a problem. Now, round the last 3-4 weeks theres a significant increase of people who dont read descriptions and add people wasting their time. It really sucks so much and i loose +- 30 minutes per day just with such stupid adds. READ DESCRIPTIONS. they contain important information like this item is out of stock, other are on stock or paying with items only at the moment etc etc. There should be a punishment for people not reading it, but hard to imagine how that would look. Greetings - Derel
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NaCl-y Pancake 2 May, 2013 @ 5:23am 
Unless you started using OP before I did (maybe a year and a half ago or so) then you are wrong and nobody ever read descriptions on trades. I'm pretty sure most of the people who use Outpost don't even know how to read.
Regen 2 May, 2013 @ 7:51am 
ITT: OP with near unreadable english and (banned from) bazaar members rant about first world problems
οk 2 May, 2013 @ 10:38am 
when they don't read, i block them from steam and tf2Ooutpost , my tf2op blocklist is about +-130guys.
Derelgamer 2 May, 2013 @ 10:47am 
lol mine is 223 :D
eddy 2 May, 2013 @ 11:50am 
One word: "russians".
NaCl-y Pancake 2 May, 2013 @ 12:28pm 
Originally posted by .L'autre:
when they don't read, i block them from steam and tf2Ooutpost , my tf2op blocklist is about +-130guys.

This is your best option. I don't go out of my way to find Outpost profiles to block people, but my Steam block list is lengthy.
Nose 2 May, 2013 @ 9:53pm 
Some people accidently don't get every single detail of your trade, therefore they post the wrong thing. I think a lot of you guys are to impulsive when it comes to blocking people, "IM GOING TO BLOCK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFER WHAT I WANTED", that sounds a bit immature if you ask me.

Here are some useful tips on how to get to actually read your post.
1. Keep it short, often times people don't want to spend an hour reading what you have to say, we have millions of trades and they can find one that is easier to understand.
2. Keep it simple, if you give some kind of complex offering guide you won't get quality offers and people will simply refuse to read it.
3. Don't state anything about "if you don't read this, I'll report you" or "type in "not_duck is cool" if you actually read the post", people are trolls and they will not follow the guidlines you set down because they are trolls.
4. Don't complain about it in your trades, i.e. "33000 people didn't read my OP, here are their names and steam ids, go make fun of them!", for one, you'll get banned for that (a violation of user rule 2) and for two, you'll attract unwanted attention.
5. Don't mislead users with your trades, if you have an unusual hat, worth about 1.5 earbuds, and you put 1 earbud in your wishlist, then you ask people not to offer just one earbud, guess what will happen? People won't listen.

TL:DR, Keep your trades short and simple and this wouldn't happen.
Derelgamer 3 May, 2013 @ 3:43am 
1) reading out of stock or not buying at the moment or not buying with XX items takes 10 seconds.Argument invalid
2)See 1
3)I dont write anyhting about that. I do just block them like other who commented are doing it
4)You can make such a counter, why not. But never saw someone wrting names or steam IDs lol
5)has nothing to do about reading trade descriptions, missleading trades are smth else and there is a particular rule concerning this on outpost.

Conclusion: if people dont take 10-15 seconds to read a setence the can fuck off
norby89 3 May, 2013 @ 4:24am 
Autobumping out of stock trades is against the rules. If you don't bump them you're less likely to get added.

Keeping your notes short and clear (without tons of empty lines between text, fancy characters, rules all over the place) is the best way to keep adds to a minimum. There will always be someone who adds you without reading but you cannot change that.
Last edited by norby89; 3 May, 2013 @ 4:27am
NaCl-y Pancake 3 May, 2013 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Not_Duck:
Some people accidently don't get every single detail of your trade, therefore they post the wrong thing. I think a lot of you guys are to impulsive when it comes to blocking people, "IM GOING TO BLOCK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFER WHAT I WANTED", that sounds a bit immature if you ask me.

Here are some useful tips on how to get to actually read your post.
1. Keep it short, often times people don't want to spend an hour reading what you have to say, we have millions of trades and they can find one that is easier to understand.
2. Keep it simple, if you give some kind of complex offering guide you won't get quality offers and people will simply refuse to read it.
3. Don't state anything about "if you don't read this, I'll report you" or "type in "not_duck is cool" if you actually read the post", people are trolls and they will not follow the guidlines you set down because they are trolls.
4. Don't complain about it in your trades, i.e. "33000 people didn't read my OP, here are their names and steam ids, go make fun of them!", for one, you'll get banned for that (a violation of user rule 2) and for two, you'll attract unwanted attention.
5. Don't mislead users with your trades, if you have an unusual hat, worth about 1.5 earbuds, and you put 1 earbud in your wishlist, then you ask people not to offer just one earbud, guess what will happen? People won't listen.

TL:DR, Keep your trades short and simple and this wouldn't happen.

Lets see:

1. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so that is short.
2. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, simple enough.
3. Yup, never mention the word read once in any of my trades.
4. Yup, again, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so no complaining.
5. I list one of each item I am acceptime (i.e. 1 bud, 1 bill's, 1 key, 1 ref, 1 rec, 1 scrap, ...) since I have multiple items in every trade it is impossible to have the exact amount on the offers side for the item the person is looking for since I don't know what they will be looking for when I make the trade, and there are 4-7 other items on the trade than just the one damn item the idiot who can't read is looking for. Maybe you should re-think this suggestion as it only makes sense if you only put one item in your trade, and because of your sites trade limits that is not feasible.

So yeah, your advice is wrong. I keep my trades short and simple and people still add me out of the blue and make offer for half of what I am asking for the item.
Last edited by Nose; 3 May, 2013 @ 9:36am
Derelgamer 3 May, 2013 @ 5:33am 
Also @ not duck, you have only trades open with unusuals and high value items. You will never get in contact with the retards buying our normal items. 99%of the traders who can afford unusuals/mid tier unusuals are experienced and intelligent enough to read trade descriptions. I dont think you really know the Situation
Nose 3 May, 2013 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Derel S>2011 festives cheap:
1) reading out of stock or not buying at the moment or not buying with XX items takes 10 seconds.Argument invalid
2)See 1
3)I dont write anyhting about that. I do just block them like other who commented are doing it
4)You can make such a counter, why not. But never saw someone wrting names or steam IDs lol
5)has nothing to do about reading trade descriptions, missleading trades are smth else and there is a particular rule concerning this on outpost.

Conclusion: if people dont take 10-15 seconds to read a setence the can fuck off
As Norby said, if you do have a trade with not buying or out of stock we'll just close that trade. No, you can't make a counter of "people who didn't read" it's an indirect violation of user rule 2, as you are meaning to put people down because they didn't read the post.




Originally posted by The Once and Future King:
Originally posted by Not_Duck:
Some people accidently don't get every single detail of your trade, therefore they post the wrong thing. I think a lot of you guys are to impulsive when it comes to blocking people, "IM GOING TO BLOCK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFER WHAT I WANTED", that sounds a bit immature if you ask me.

Here are some useful tips on how to get to actually read your post.
1. Keep it short, often times people don't want to spend an hour reading what you have to say, we have millions of trades and they can find one that is easier to understand.
2. Keep it simple, if you give some kind of complex offering guide you won't get quality offers and people will simply refuse to read it.
3. Don't state anything about "if you don't read this, I'll report you" or "type in "not_duck is cool" if you actually read the post", people are trolls and they will not follow the guidlines you set down because they are trolls.
4. Don't complain about it in your trades, i.e. "33000 people didn't read my OP, here are their names and steam ids, go make fun of them!", for one, you'll get banned for that (a violation of user rule 2) and for two, you'll attract unwanted attention.
5. Don't mislead users with your trades, if you have an unusual hat, worth about 1.5 earbuds, and you put 1 earbud in your wishlist, then you ask people not to offer just one earbud, guess what will happen? People won't listen.

TL:DR, Keep your trades short and simple and this wouldn't happen.

Lets see:

1. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so that is short.
2. Yup, all I include is a list of the items and the price, simple enough.
3. Yup, never mention the word read once in any of my trades.
4. Yup, again, all I include is a list of the items and the price, so no complaining.
5. I list one of each item I am acceptime (i.e. 1 bud, 1 bill's, 1 key, 1 ref, 1 rec, 1 scrap, ...) since I have multiple items in every trade it is impossible to have the exact amount on the offers side for the item the person is looking for since I don't know what they will be looking for when I make the trade, and there are 4-7 other items on the trade than just the one damn item the idiot who can't read is looking for. Maybe you should re-think this suggestion as it only makes sense if you only put one item in your trade, and because of your sites trade limits that is not feasible.

So yeah, your advice is wrong. I keep my trades short and simple and people still add me out of the blue and make offer for half of what I am asking for the item, seems you don't really know what you are talking about.
My advice isn't wrong, it just helps with decreasing the issue from arising, trust me, I deal with thousands of reports and I see this all the time. Again, this advice will not 100% prevent people from being dumb, people will always be dumb.



Originally posted by Derel S>2011 festives cheap:
Also @ not duck, you have only trades open with unusuals and high value items. You will never get in contact with the retards buying our normal items. 99%of the traders who can afford unusuals/mid tier unusuals are experienced and intelligent enough to read trade descriptions. I dont think you really know the Situation
You're right, but the same situation applies for people who have unusuals, they set prices just like people with normal items and people still refuse to read their posts.

I keep my trades extremely simple, because in the past, I've experienced people who don't read the Original Post http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/685520, here is my original weapon for weapon trade, I had quite a few people who didn't read the post, as at it's longest, it was very long and complicated.
Derelgamer 3 May, 2013 @ 9:43am 
1)As Norby said, if you do have a trade with not buying or out of stock we'll just close that trade.
1)im paying with different item, if some arew unavailable but others are. no reason to reopen trade all 24 hours.

2) No, you can't make a counter of "people who didn't read" it's an indirect violation of user rule 2, as you are meaning to put people down because they didn't read the post.
2) as no names or IDs are made no mod would close the trade cuz of that, btw never heard of such a close

3) and still you dont have 10 year old kids who can buy stuff worth buds. we do
NaCl-y Pancake 3 May, 2013 @ 10:10am 
Originally posted by Not_Duck:
My advice isn't wrong, it just helps with decreasing the issue from arising, trust me, I deal with thousands of reports and I see this all the time. Again, this advice will not 100% prevent people from being dumb, people will always be dumb.

Except your giving the advice to people who already do this.
Person A makes thread complaining
Person B (me) comments about blocking people
Person C (you) Gives advice on how to stop this
Person A + B already apply to this advice (the only way to make my notes simpler would be to not have any)
Advice is really wrong in this context since we are already following it so there is not need to tell us to keep doing the same thing we already are.
norby89 3 May, 2013 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by The Once and Future King:
Advice is really wrong in this context since we are already following it so there is not need to tell us to keep doing the same thing we already are.
There is no advice that will make dumb people be less dumb than they already are. It might be obvious to you but there people out there who aren't aware of that yet they still complain. There is no solution to human stupidity, all you can do is minimize the problem for yourself and the advice in this thread is pretty much all you can do about it.
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Date Posted: 2 May, 2013 @ 2:46am
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