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I'm FREAKY STYLEY 3 Jul, 2013 @ 11:13pm
Appealing for a friend, Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ .
So the other day I noticed my friend, Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ, had been banned from tf2outpost for a week for insulting another trader. After looking at the so called evidence and speaking to him, he asked if I could write something up to help him appeal his ban. Now it seems he's away for the summer, and I never got the document over to him, so I thought I might post it here in an attempt to help him be pardoned. It would be nice if you read the whole thing, document is as follows:


Having traded with Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ on multiple occasions, he is undoubtedly one of the most friendly and polite traders I have ever known, and I strongly feel that a week-long ban for an “insult” is completely uncalled for, and even to have permanently hidden the comment (which should have been done) was not even a just action to have been executed. The reason I put “Insult” in quotes is because, do you think telling a person which has obviously not bothered to read the notes (see trade/screenshot), to learn to read and go back to kindergarten really an insult as such? And a bannable one at that?

Take this trade as an example :http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12230705 . Posted THREE days ago, user both incorporates an “Idiot List” in the description, and reports someone for “Maximum Stupidness”, will he be banned? I think not. Will his trade be closed and comment hidden? Most likely, and yet Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ is banned for a whole week for a single insult, if you could even CONSIDER it that. Now, for a personal experience, I once told someone who mindlessly commented on my trade to, from my memory “Try and comprehend there own stupidity before moving to an abandoned island and live the rest of your life in shame”. The comment was permahiddden, but I WAS NOT banned, and I think most people can agree that that was a lot more harsh than simply telling someone to go back to Kindergarten.

Now, let us actually look at what happened( http://i.tf2op.com/bd/10inw4.png ): masterchief commented on the trade, asking 0.33 for his S. Shiv. Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ then replied: You can’t read. Go back to Kindergarten. then masterchief commented AGAIN (breaking rule #1: No Spamming) claiming that he would report Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ for insulting him if he was rude again. Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ replied that maybe he should try reading the trade, and that he would now report him for spam, which seems perfectly reasonable.

Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ is banned for a week by ☣ ฿LÜΣÐΣMӨП ☣ for the breaking of Rule #2: No insulting other uses. Both me and the Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ feel that this is a miscarriage of justice and that ☣฿LÜΣÐΣMӨП☣ abused his position as an admin, and if anyone should be banned/punished it should be masterchief or even ☣฿LÜΣÐΣMӨП☣.

Thank you for reading, I hope that admins at least take some notice of this :).
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Currier Bell 3 Jul, 2013 @ 11:28pm 
If he's only banned for a week and will be gone the entire summer, then what point is there to make an appeal? He should be the one to make it as well, not a friend.

If he broke the rules, then he deserves to get banned. Shifting blame to other user does not make what he did any less wrong and they too should receive a ban if they deserve one, such as some random person with an "idiot list".

You yourself said he posted a "go back to kindergarten" insult, which got him a ban, and probably won't get overturned. That screenshot also doesn't help his case, he should have hid the post instead of insulting someone else, and should not threaten to use the report system for something so minor.
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I'm FREAKY STYLEY 3 Jul, 2013 @ 11:41pm 
Originally posted by Currier Bell:
If he's only banned for a week and will be gone the entire summer, then what point is there to make an appeal? He should be the one to make it as well, not a friend.

If he broke the rules, then he deserves to get banned. Shifting blame to other user does not make what he did any less wrong and they too should receive a ban if they deserve one, such as some random person with an "idiot list".

You yourself said he posted a "go back to kindergarten" insult, which got him a ban, and probably won't get overturned. That screenshot also doesn't help his case, he should have hid the post instead of insulting someone else, and should not threaten to use the report system for something so minor.

Firstly, bans mount up, and if he banned one more time he will be permabanned. And if you feel you ahve been wrongly accused, WHY should you not try and appeal it? That is after all, the whole point of the appeal system. I also stated that I tried to get this in time him but he went away, so I thought I MIGHT AS WELL post it. I WAS NOT posting his appeal for him.

Saying that he broke the rules, he deserves to get banned, is fair enough. But I have provided other evidence of people also breaking the rules, including myself, and not getting banned, where is the logic in that? Also as I said, the two examples seemed a lot more harsh than his insult. If one guy is going to get banned for telling someone to read, everyone should be banned.

The "idiot list" is merely something called EVIDENCE, showing that other people insult users and don't get banned, and in this community everyone should be treated equally.

And of course the screenshot helps his case! Thats the proof of what was said and that he was IMO he was wrongly banned.
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Currier Bell 3 Jul, 2013 @ 11:49pm 
That explains a few things. Firstly, the week long ban is because he's been banned before, and this is not just some first time thing. He should consider it a final warning.

Showing other people who have not been banned for doing things is not pointing out double standards, it's pointing out people lucky enough to not be caught yet. The mod staff is not omnipresent and you cannot expect them to be.

Your screenshot shows him insulting someone by telling them to learn to read and go back to kindergarten. He then got banned for insulting someone. your opinion of what is a viable insult or not doesn't go into the equation here. He insulted someone and got banned for it.

He should take this warning and use it to change his behavior and not insult people anymore, seeing as it's his last chance.
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I'm FREAKY STYLEY 3 Jul, 2013 @ 11:59pm 
Firstly, his three other bans from what he has told me one was for relisting (by mistake), one was swearing, and the other was when he just BROKE. Of course this is what he has told me, so I can't stand by it.

You saying "Lucky enough not to get caught yet" isn't really justiffiable, as I WAS caught for insulting, and I wasn't banned. And if one person breaks the rules and gets banned shouldn't everyone?
If you consider insulting a bannable offence, what about spamming? That also breaks the rules, and therefor masterchief should have been banned as well. The Admins need to lay down more rules as what you ban for and what you don't, the rules do not state that.

I think that me myself that everyone should be treated with equal respect in the TF2OP community, and banning one guy for insulting and just hiding another guys insult is NOT equal.
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Currier Bell 4 Jul, 2013 @ 12:09am 
I won't pretend to know the justification behind what the mods do and how they react to different situations. I do know that you want to make an appeal for someone that isn't you, who insulted someone else then got banned for it. The screenshot is enough proof of that.

We can sit here and talk about ethics and trading site philosophy for hours, but at the end of the day, Your friend with the characters as letters name thing insulted someone else, and got banned.

I will agree with you though that all people should be the same and if you insulted someone, that you too should have got a ban.
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I'm FREAKY STYLEY 4 Jul, 2013 @ 12:20am 
Originally posted by Currier Bell:
I won't pretend to know the justification behind what the mods do and how they react to different situations. I do know that you want to make an appeal for someone that isn't you, who insulted someone else then got banned for it. The screenshot is enough proof of that.

We can sit here and talk about ethics and trading site philosophy for hours, but at the end of the day, Your friend with the characters as letters name thing insulted someone else, and got banned.

I will agree with you though that all people should be the same and if you insulted someone, that you too should have got a ban.

So would you agree that there is something a tad wrong with the admin/banning system? Would you say that they need to lay down more rules at which someone gets banned?

And I am glad that you agree with me that everyone should be treated the same, and that I SHOULD had either of been banned OR Ŧнξ ρяø βυιᄂ∂єƦ comment should have been hidden.

Even if they have decided to become tighter against insults since the update, that should be stated in the sites rules, so that it was clear that if you told someone who had clearly not read your notes to learn to read and go back to kindergarten, it would be considered a bannable offence.

In the end, this "appeal" is less about actually getting unbanned, but more about the TF2outpost team improving there definition of a bannable offence.
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