If you think about it, there really is no real way to point at someone and say "You're a shark" or "You are/were sharking". If someone just says, I value that unusual at 2 refined, as far as you know, they aren't sharking. They might not know the price either and are just saying what they think the item is worth? Is this sharking? Who are you to judge and ban?

Say, for example, | S.S. | creamy, our lovely conversation started was banned for sharking, what would they tell him? Why was he banned?

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

That way of thinking isn't going to get you many people agreeing with you. Not everyone is an experienced trader and could have easily have just opened an unusual with their first key they ever bought for the game they started playing and enjoy greatly.

It isn't right to say that someone coming by to prey of their lack of trading knowledge is just the same as someone scoring a good deal on Outpost.

As I said before, the people who are getting 'sharked' out of their item must be willing to accept the items which they recieve, this means that the unusual he unboxed is worth no more than the item(s) he is recieving, in his mind he is happy about the trade until somebody tells him he got ripped off and makes him upset.

And I don't care whether we have someone like that sticking around in our community because if he comes after me I'll tell him to piss off because before we trade anything, I'll look up how much my item is worth and see if I like what he's offering.

I've been buying Genuines and sets of them through my trades on TF2 Outpost, but I ran out of metal doing this. Since I ran out of metal I stopped bumping the trade and since I didn't bump them for a week I think, they were automatically closed. I've gotten some more metal now so I'm remaking the trades but when I try to do this I am stopped my this message, 'You have this exact trade open. Go figure.' I think this may be caused by the closed trades but I'm not sure.

I would appreciate it if I could get some feedback on this. Thanks,

Sir Skad

Terminus, I've really been following you around today it seems. :)

And the prices shown on Bazaar.tf don't seem to hinder my trading. Even though it shows 2.33 Refined on the Strange Rocket Launchers I buy and sell, I've sold 8 for 3 Refined using buy now bots, the prices don't seem to be affected.

This makes me mad.

As Terminus said, it's a moral issue.

I believe that being banned for sharking is ridiculous because anyone who falls prey to sharking is just not paying attention to what the prices of what they're trading are. Also, if they fall prey to sharking, they are either incredibly stupid or they aren't coming out on the bad side of things.

Some people, obviously not you guys, don't trade for value so much as what they wish they had. Some guy could really want a hat worth 1 Refined and the other guy is like "Since it's worth so much to him, I'll bump the price up a bit and sell it for 3 Refined." In these scenarios, the person who is buying the 1 refined hat may be getting sharked, but he doesn't care because he likes what he got.

On the stupid side of things, if somebody, for example, comes into TF2 Outpost with an item worth 3 Refined on backpack.tf and someone buys it for 1.66 Refined, is that sharking? Does sharking have to be a major lose of value on one party's behalf, or is it just a single weapon's value loss. When somebody puts up an item up on TF2 Outpost, they had better either know what the item is worth or want a specific item for it, because if they just ask for offers and then accept an offer, if they find out a week later that they lost 2 Refined in the trade it is entirely their fault.

Is it only sharking if the person who gets 'sharked' is unhappy about his trade when he finds out later? Because from the way I see it, sharking is just losing value in a trade, and people lose value in trades all the time, which is how other people make a profit.

Also Norby89, as | S.S. | creamy said, sharking is not at all stealing, both parties in the trade must agree and accept what the other party is offering for their items, as I said before, people who suffer from sharking are stupid.