You really think people would leave outpost because sharkers arent banned? And where would they go? The bazzar? Can't the rule don't ask don't tell be in effect in outpost

The answer to your question is selling their items. They bring more items in and sell it to people who know the prices. Maybe 1% of outpost doesnt know prices of items. Sharkers are not on outpost to get the next great deal they're there to sell their items to go shark for more items. Why should we care where the item we buy comes from? If anything it probably would have a greater chance of having a low history and not dubed.

Let me ak you a question. If someone invited you to trade and said they wanted an item from you but it was a very cheap item they just really liked it. Obvioulsy the guy that traded you doesnt know anything of value and offers you a burning flames team captain for youe strange homewrecker. Would you honestly say no to that?

That might be true that the guy in the example did know the price and did shark, but where is the proof? Where is the proof of any of the members banned in outpost for sharking? Like I said you can't ban based on assumptions

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

I think the question here has been lacking one thing. It is not only the action that takes place, but also the intention that those actions were taken in. Sharking can be odd to attach a label to because many exceptions to the rule can be found.

If two people with no trading experience make a trade that would be lop-sided for one person, nobody would be surprised.

It's in instances that someone with that type of knowledge typically goes out to find the typical target (low hours, no trade experience, few high value items amid various low ones) with the intent to trade them near worthless items for something they know that the other person could get more out of. I don't mean some small range like someone finding someone with a two key item and offering one, I mean someone looking for that new player with an unusual and offering 30 weapons for it because they know that many new weapons to a new player would seem like a lot.

Both people initially walking away happy is a nice concept, but in sharking situations one of the two knows they took advantage of the other, and it's that type of person we do not want on the site.

You're talking about the intentions of people who are sharking. It's like racisim, you can't prove the persons mind set is a racist one, no one really knows if they are or not. The same is with sharking. Even though the person may have a ton of +rep, over 1k trades on outpost, and a high rep on steam you can't prove he sharker tknew the price of the item they traded for. You can't prove what goes on in anyone mind unless they tell you. The only proof you could actually have is what the person says, and without that it would make no sense what so ever to ban them on an assumption of their intentions.

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

Originally posted by | S.S. | creamy:

So what if someone were to say "i'll give you 2 ref for your max head" and thhe buyer didn't lie about the price but the seller didnt know the value of the 2 ref. According to your defenition the deal wasnt a shark

So what you're saying is if Max Heads are currently 2 refined at a set price, but the buyer didn't know, but the buyer did? If it's a set price, community or not, and it was paid for at that price, or at a reasonable under/overpay, then no it wasn't a shark no matter if the seller didn't know the value of 2 ref or not.

What I'm saying is that the definition of sharking that you gave is lying to the seller about the prices of the items the buyer is offering. Now if the buyer doesnt lie about the prices of the items he or she is offering then, by your definition they aren't sharking, even though they offered a large amount less than the cost of the item and even though the seller had no idea of the set prices of the items

So what is the actual definition of sharking? Manipulation of the seller? Lying to the seller? I dont think theres an actual definition of sharking. And if theres no real definition then how can you ban someone for it?

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

Originally posted by | S.S. | creamy:

Is it sharking when you ask for a price on the item and not offer a price? What if you say "how much do you want for your hat?" and they say "2 ref." for a hat worth 2 buds? They wanted 2 ref nothing else. No manipulation took place, the seller stated his price and the buyer paid what he wanted.

If no manipulation took place, it's on the seller if they want to sell their valuable goods for close to nothing.

Sharking: If a new player had a max head, and was very happy. Shark comes up and says, here I'll give you 2 ref. 2 ref is like $200! It's such a good deal! And the newbie trades the max head for 2 ref.

Not sharking: If a new or regular player knew prices and went and sold their max head for 2 ref not direct to buyer but open to offers.

In general, sharking is lying to get high profit. Since it's a community driven market, people can sell for however much they want to whether high or really low. Someone could sell their max head for a scrap, or 100 buds if they really wanted to.

So what if someone were to say "i'll give you 2 ref for your max head" and thhe buyer didn't lie about the price but the seller didnt know the value of the 2 ref. According to your defenition the deal wasnt a shark

Is it sharking when you ask for a price on the item and not offer a price? What if you say "how much do you want for your hat?" and they say "2 ref." for a hat worth 2 buds? They wanted 2 ref nothing else. No manipulation took place, the seller stated his price and the buyer paid what he wanted.

Stealing is taking without permission, both parties have to agree to the trade for a trade to be made. They must be happy with the sharker's offer if they accept, so both parties must be happy

Ignorance is no excuse! Anyone can google "Price of tf2 item" and will find tons of links to prices. Being banned for sharking is ridiculous