I mostly agree with samhudson333.

But I am not sure if it's the grey market that sells it's keys in the Steam Market now. Because there is a relatively low annual limit on how much you can sell in the Steam Market ($200 if I am not mistaken). And then you would also have trouble getting your money out, even if you manage to have multiple alts.

Keys for PayPal money is surprisingly stable compared to the Metal value. My guess, that is because wholesalers (grey market) practically can't use the Steam Market, where the (consumer) price of a Key is about the same as in the Mann Co. Store. At least for €, I think in terms of $ they are even a little more expensive than in Mann Co.

I think it's more likely that Keys get sold in the Steam Market by the large user base itself that has the dominant effect on the Supply.

And maybe the new security measures like trade restriction and Steam Guard also have an effect by cutting down the supply of fraudulently bought keys for the grey market.

This should probably be locked.
I think a permaban would be a very drastic measure. I have hope that a little time will cool things down and give a chance to think about how this happened. In my opinion this is all based on simple negligence and misunderstandings that lead to things said in the heat of the moment.

uh oh, chill out! I see a permaban coming up...

^^ scratch that. That is some angry kid!
And brosama, "thread" is not the same as "threat"

Originally posted by samhudson333:

He or she made a thread in a public setting in attempts to shame me. The trade was ridiculous, and he was very rude to me during our conversation. I feel that it's perfectly justified.

The trade was ridiculous, he/she could have used better words, and it is your right to defend yourself, no doubt.
Maybe, once I came to the conclusion that I could be the father of that kid, that got my parental, protective instinct kicking in... ;-)

In all fairness, samhudson333, I now kinda feel pity for the guy, or rather gal - judging from the profile.

It's now obvious to me that she's just a kid that took the word "bitching" personal. Maybe even confused it with you calling her a b****.

Apart from missing your notes not to add you in such cases, this all started out with a simple misunderstanding. I see no need to further ridicule her by wanting to "laugh at her".

use the report function on one of his trades

Here we go again. You people with your retired hats and weird logic that these are worth a fortune now, and should be even more so in the future.

For crying out loud, uncraftable and especially vintage hats have been limited for quite some time now. Nobody really cared about those hats before, and nobody will ever care!

All you do with your trades asking for buds is creating more work for the admins because you are attracting trolls and then report their comments.

And the fact that you already got the exact same trade closed a day before, didn't ring a bell at all?

You conveniently left out the part before samhudson got "mad" at you. But even without knowing what that was, I can understand why he got a little unfriendly.

For instance, why did you have to SHOUT in the discussion topic? I consider that very rude!

Anyway, what two people write in their private chat is their business and does not concern anyone here.

Originally posted by A Distinctive Lack Of Ponies:

Oh my pony, are you serious? Outpost and bazaar are completely different trading websites. Outpost is "free market" where everyone is free to set any price and offer any trade at all. Bazaar is a "fair market" where you should keep your offers close enough to suggested values of items that are being traded, where quickbuying and overvaluing items is forbidden.

Dead serious. I guess you have your own opinion, but your distinction is not that big of a difference, and wrong in my opinion anyway.

Originally posted by A Distinctive Lack Of Ponies:

Why do outpost admins care about links to bazaar trades?

For one, why should OP give bazaar (a competitor) free links for a better google ranking?
OP also is a business that has to compete.