The whitelist is fairly new on the site and has been implemented due to the vast increase of phishing attempts.

Most links have not been whitelisted and will be added in the future, as long as they are related to trading or aid in trading in some way, such as image hosting sites.

If you cannot live with the highlight, you could remake the trade and add the picture directly to your notes.

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Once and Future King:

Why are you answering him/her/it? And with the same answer (albiet a longer version) I gave him/her/it.
Clearly he/she/it does not want answers.

Mostly just backing up the idea that one does not need to be a mod to answer someone's question when it's that simple. As for why I cited the rules, I don't really know, I guess I just have that tendency.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Chan 2O13:

Are you a mod did you write these rules I can't see you on the list of mods I don't really care what you think if you're not :( Sorry

Being rude to others doesn't exactly help your case. The mods are not going to just come to anyone's call and answer everyone who wonders why their trade was closed, otherwise we'd be here for months.

As for why your trade was closed, that rule you cite is made for people who will report on small differences of a scrap to a refined, basically nothing of high value. Your trade was items worth a few keys for something that was worth a few buds (the last time I checked, not up to date on strange prices, but I know stranges from the first batch of festives are expensive). Your trade was closed due to the massive difference in value from what you offer to what you were asking.

As for re-opening the trade, TF2Outpost does not have that capability, even if the mods wanted to. (Which wouldn't happen in this case anyway.)

Already there, rule #3 on the trade rules page.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/rules

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

See, it seems we're getting nowhere and neither of us can prove who's right. So just let everyone be - users making ridiculous trades and those that comment about the price (in a non-insulting way).

True, still was a decent one while it lasted. I edited in some stuff before this was posted so feel free to throw out some final thoughts if needed.

I think we hit most possible angles too, so there's that. Still wouldn't mind some mod feedback to see their opinions though.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

That is an assumption you cannot state as a fact.

isn't it the same as your assumption that these people do not hurt trades and are worth keeping around?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

yawn, OT!

Also I don't do acronyms, so you're going to have to spell out that last part.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

(Off Topic)

Thanks

And I will take their side, I believe the things you're defending are bad behavior and should not be allowed to happen because it teaches bad habits to everyone. The polite talk about prices is something I've seen times than I can count on one hand, whereas the amount of useless spam is countless.

I can also take your side on the bad trades, those need to pruned too through various means. I remember back when quickbuyers weren't the hated folk but the "buying craft hats for 1 refined" people were. I knew if they were allowed to continue doing it any hate that wasn't one of very few exceptions were going to become worthless in time and solidify the market around a very few select hats, which has happened in many cases.

If you really want the high price trades disappear, make it so nobody posts on them. Giving them attention only makes them more stubborn and makes them remake the trade and keep it up until the item sells. Let the fact they sit on the items forever be their wake-up call, not some jackass with an "lol" comment that doesn't actually do anything.

It's simple, people who feel that their input is needed when it has not been asked for are not welcome on the vast majority of trades.

Nobody asked them their opinion and nobody, especially the trade owner, wants their opinion.

I have time and time made my case, even quoting myself six different times to answer one part of one post you made, and you just breeze over it yet again.

You're trying to equate me to this behavior, I do not report that crap, nor have I in the past. I am not the decider of people where that "red line" is, people must make it for themselves and a large portion see posts like "lol" and "highball" to be derogatory, which the rules say can be reported. Which in turn leads me to believe that maybe that should be rule.

You're posting all the blame on people who have done nothing wrong, and just want to be left alone by people who have no intent on trading with them. I'm blaming the people who see a trade they don't like and instead of avoiding it, feel the need to post their unwanted opinion in someone else's space. It's rude, unproductive, and just irritates too many people.

As for losing these people, I wouldn't give a single damn if we lost the type of people who feel the need to try and grief others like that.

As for the last part, please start with the quickbuyers. (which I believe should be against the rules)

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

It is you that still needs to explain what harm is actually done by not reporting simple comments you see as unwanted in your trade.

"I see no argument against this other than the weak "well it shouldn't bother others/it's not that big of a deal"."

"Trying to tell everyone to just deal with it gives a free pass to hecklers and idiots to do what they want, just as long as they don't cross that vague red line or else get hit with a weak ban of a single day."

"What you don't seem to get is that if he would post it on one trade, he'll do it to more. I see no reason that posting that crap 4 times one one trade is spam, but posting one crap message on 4 different trades is "civil price discussion you should deal with". And every post that gets reported is another in the pile that the mods have to work on. Your "grow up and deal with it" attitude does not help here."

"Why should we have to put up and ignore people posting things that are indeed negative and unproductive on our trades."

"You nor the mods will change the entire sites habits, there are thousands of users and this topic will be seen by the smallest percentage of them. For some reason you seem to believe that it is fine for people to go around the site and post redundant comments whenever they feel entitled to without consequence to anyone but the trade owner. "

" I'm just pointing out for every one person like you or I, there are a lot more who would report for these things and would welcome the changes I suggest."

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

All you do is misinterpret the rules and ignore the ones quoted by the OP.

"As for the rules, they quite frankly are terrible right now and need to be changed. They're vague at best, telling people to hide messages when this site's definition of hiding is basically throwing a see-through blanket on top of something, and let people off the hook unless they reach a certain point of being an ass."

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

Maybe it is time to also punish those that ignore these, since you seem to be for harsh punishment so easily

Now that's the way you'd start losing members to the site. You'd be punishing users for not wanting to deal with unrelated comments and useless crap posted by idiots. Though if you really must have your totally open site and want the report problem to stop, it is a viable method.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Uranium235:

@Currier Bell
You seem to have missed the point here. After reading your last post it is apparent that you didn't get the message and make assumptions that suit your point of view.
Read the rules about what to report, or rather what not to report, again thoroughly. It is even quoted by the OP. Nobody said you have to tolerate insults.

If you get a lot of comments about your price and regard every comment about it as an insult, it's clear to me you are indeed more of a problem than than those "idiots".

Do you mind refuting the points I made? On any of my past posts.

You just glossed over them all and then continue saying that me and the the people like me who don't want to just let people post nonsense the problem, like you just did.

As for the rules, they quite frankly are terrible right now and need to be changed. They're vague at best, telling people to hide messages when this site's definition of hiding is basically throwing a see-through blanket on top of something, and let people off the hook unless they reach a certain point of being an ass.

I once again have to state that I do not report for people posting stupid things on my trades, I'm not one of those who take everything as an insult, and I'm not one of those people who wants the moderators to be my personal bodyguards. I'm just pointing out for every one person like you or I, there are a lot more who would report for these things and would welcome the changes I suggest.

I see your point of view, you want people to be free to discuss things in a civil manner and for everyone to be happy and coexist. But this is the internet, you're not going to get that cake and eat it too.

The trade-off for your system where anyone can post just about anything is that people are going to be asses and are going to get reported, leaving a huge mess for the people who clean it up.

Now that I have once again clarified that I'm the typical report happy person you despise, I will no longer respond to this topic besides more than likely just copy/pasting my old posts since they've still not been refuted.

Well, I'm done. I've made my points and none of them have been argued.

I say that these posts are pointless and have no place and everyone blames the trade owner because he "lacks confidence" when he thinks someone posting an insulting comment is derogitory. He's told to comepletely ignore someone who just intended to insult him, excusing that kind of behavior.

I say allow people to hide the posts and everyone screams abuse could happen (nothing ever was clarified) and "open market", which I and many people couldn't give a single damn about if it means we have to deal with idiots walking around spreading their crap without punishment.

I say to actually punish the things that a great deal of people are reporting for and want to be rid of on the site and not just let these things slide and escalate, and everyone says that those are perfectly fine things and then whine on the forums when the mods are overworked.

I say you're not going to change the habits of 330,000 people and it would be easier to allow some self-moderation, and are met by people telling me i'm personally not doing my part in not reporting people, when I have yet to report one of these people yet.

I say that giving the small amount of power to the trade owners may make the outpost experiance better for the vast majority of users, and am met with people who just say "Nah, you're the problem, not that asshole who has less than 2 keys worth in his backpack going around multiple trades posting nonsense posts to insult others. Just hide it and allow him to continue annoying everyone else as long as it's one assholish post and not four per trade. What's that? He got reported by half a dozen people WAHHH THE MODS ARE OVERWORKED WHY AREN'T YOU IGNORING HIM AND POSTING REASONABLE PRICES?"

All I'm asking is that you take a look at who we're calling the problem and who you're calling the problem.

You're calling people who report things on their trade, on a trading site, are the problem.
Not the people who comment on other people's trades with no intent to do business.

Why are you telling traders to ignore these comments when you can instead just tell idiots to ignore those trades? One actively leads to insults and overworked staff and the other leads to people never interacting.

If the mod staff wants to continue the way they handle reports, then by all means allow them to do so. I don't report useless crap and am not prone to doing so. If you want to attempt to have this conversation with each one of the users that do, go ahead, but you're not going to succeed. Unless rules are changed to remove the ability to be a jackass to everyone and be unpunished because you were a slight jackass rather a huge jackass, then I will have no sympathy for whoever has to go through these reports.