Originally posted by Uranium235:

Not really, because he still didn't get it. Nobody but those constantly reporting these comments, that could just as easily be ignored (and the user blocked), gives a rat's ass because it's not worth it making a big deal out of it.

Apparently enough people give a rat's ass that it totally clogs the report system to the points that mods make topics like this.

You have yet to make a single point refuting anything I've said. Time and time again you have only said that we should deal with it and that it is our problem. You seem hellbent on not arguing your case at all and I believe it is because you have no argument.

You nor the mods will change the entire sites habits, there are thousands of users and this topic will be seen by the smallest percentage of them. For some reason you seem to believe that it is fine for people to go around the site and post redundant comments whenever they feel entitled to without consequence to anyone but the trade owner.

I won't tell you how to run your trades, but you have no place to tell others how they should. If you want to keep the useless crap on your trades, be my guest. However, there are thousands of people out there who are going to report for these things, and simply allowing small changes will go long ways in lightening the load on the mods.

Please make one reason why having the ability to remove posts or forbid unrelated comments on trades will hurt this site, because so far I haven't seen any. None of this "well it shouldn't bother you/just deal with it" stuff, because it isn't an argument, it's a cop-out.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

You don't seem to get it. I'm not excusing anything. Grow up and deal with comments yourself instead of whining and crying for moderators! That's the whole point!

That's the thing, you are excusing that behavior.

What you don't seem to get is that if he would post it on one trade, he'll do it to more. I see no reason that posting that crap 4 times one one trade is spam, but posting one crap message on 4 different trades is "civil price discussion you should deal with". And every post that gets reported is another in the pile that the mods have to work on. Your "grow up and deal with it" attitude does not help here.

Trying to tell everyone to just deal with it gives a free pass to hecklers and idiots to do what they want, just as long as they don't cross that vague red line or else get hit with a weak ban of a single day.

You're not going to change the habits of the entire userbase of the site, it just isn't going to happen. What can happen though, is let users do a small little bit in dealing with it in a real way rather than them hoping the mods do it and jamming on that report button.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

No, the subject is, that you should simply ignore those instead of complaining / reporting!

Why should we have to put up and ignore people posting things that are indeed negative and unproductive on our trades. So far all I've heard is basically "deal with it", and then mods complaining that they have to wade through all these reports that they get.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

If you need a long time to buy or sell keys for a certain price, that's exactly the kind of time wasting trade I was talking about. And if you change your price in the notes, nobody gives a damn to read the comments, especially in a key trade!
Again, why does it matter what comments your trade has? What's there to navigate?
And if that really bothers you, again, that's your problem and a new key trade is made within seconds, if not, something is wrong with your trade.
And please, don't come with the: "but I have bookmarks" argument. How often do you use your bookmarked trades to buy / sell anything instead of searching...?

I don't care about the bookmarks, I actually think the choice to show page views and bookmarks was a terrible idea. Also, wanting to have things neat and condensed on a site that does its best to be minimalist should not be met with "that's your problem". That isn't an argument at all, that's just being stubborn.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

]Not my point and not what I had in mind with "abuse". But I don't want to get further into that now, that's a different discussion.

If this is one of your reasons to want to argue my points, then it is part of this discussion. How can I tell what your point is if you don't clarify?

Originally posted by Uranium235:

You can already do that. There is a hide and block user button. Why does everything have to be deleted? Just because people with enough time and interest can still read them? That's not a valid reason in my opinion.

The "hide" here is subjective at best and blocking is a good feature. Why does everything have to be out in the open permanently? Just because some people like it that way and everyone else should just deal with it and put all their business out there, even if a good chunk is nonsense from idiots? That's not a valid reason in my opinion.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

And the whole point of this discussion is, that people do not report unnecessarily so that mods have the time to swiftly deal with the important stuff, like phishing links.

And our point is that when you make it so that negative comments can still remain on the site as long as they don't hit a certain threshold of being an ass isn't working. My entire argument is that if you allow users to get rid of posts, they won't jump on that report button for minor offenses that clog up the system. Basically anything is allowed as long as you don't throw in an actual swear at the user who's trade you're posting on.

It's a broken system in my opinion, and all I'm advocating is that users have some control over what they want posted on their trades. We don't like joke posts, useless comments, spam, price comments (if you want a civil price discussion, backpack.tf exists), comment clutter, and various other things that frankly just don't need to be out there because they're redundant and don't serve a purpose on a trade site.

So far your argument is one big "this is the way it is, deal with it". This way isn't working and I'm offering a simple solution to a vast array of issues.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

If you haven't sold / bought your item(s) after hundreds of comments, it's more than likely something is wrong with your trade and you are the one wasting everybody's time, not just the comments.

I was talking about things like key trades and larger trades that replenishes stock. These trades get that long with or without selling your items and I would just think it'd be easier to navigate without hundreds of posts, which users do actually remake trades to get rid of.

As for your transparency, I see no way that abuse arises from hiding posts that come from other people. If someone is doing something they should not, they can be reported for it and mods will deal with it. For every few instances of this happening, I see dozens upon dozens of trades with useless comments on them that do nothing but annoy the owner. And with the amount of crap posted on trades, even seeing "X IS A SCAMMER DON'T TRADE" wouldn't stop me because I already doubt any post like that true, and is probably some butthurt guy who didn't get his deal.

All I'm asking for is to allow users to self-moderate their trades so that the mods don't have to deal with every small little thing that comes their way and will have more free time to deal with actual reports like phishing links and scammers (maybe even the people you want to be exposed)

I would say allowing users to hide posts on their trades so they are no longer able to be viewed by anyone would cut down on tremendous amounts of both mod and server stress.

By allowing users to just remove the post they do not like on their trade, all of the following can be reduced and/or eliminated:

1) Reports on "price comments"
This alone makes people go nuts on that report system, and it's because nobody wants to see these on their trades, even if mods believe they are minor things. If a user cannot hide these, then they either report the person, hoping the mod will do it, or just recreate the trade and add more server stress.

2) Phishing links
Sure mods will remove them, but we all know how slow it is to rely on moderators to do this, and by that time someone else can fall into the trap. By allowing the user to hide it completely, fewer people see it and the users still get banned when mods see the post report.

3)Hijackers/Advertising/Referral links
Same as the above, but just hiding posts do not make them go away, and until a mod removes the post, these people still get the exposure they want.

On top of all this, it would let people clean up their trades when they hit hundreds of comments, get rid of annoying junk like "unusual earbills/gud deel" posts, and overall lets the user self-moderate their trades rather than constantly bitch at staff.

I see no reason not to allow this, the site will literally lose no functionality and I see no argument against this other than the weak "well it shouldn't bother others/it's not that big of a deal".

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Major issue is you can't delete posts in your own thread.

There are small changes to the site that would probably lower administration load...
If you block someone from posting in your trades, their posts should disappear, this alone would probably wipe out the majority of report case load the admins probably have to deal with.

I have to agree with this guy. Being able to hide posts so that only mods may see it would cut so much of the load placed on the report system. Especially with phishing, a user could report the post as they should, then hide the message so that nobody else falls for it on that particular trade, cutting the chances of future links being posted. The amount of "LOL" comments alone being reported would drastically fall, as users would just hide the post and block the user, rather than reporting it and hoping the mods do.

Hoarding keys to sell when the price increases.

I had an earbud and saw someone with an unusual I liked. I then offered it for that hat and got it.

That's how most people get their first unusual I would believe.

I doubt there is demand for something like this that is close enough to warrant the massive amount of work it would be to make and maintain.

Well seeing as nobody here can see that, how can you expect help?

On top of that, the inventory alone isn't enough to prove your point. I've seen people sell off their entire backpack for paypal, only to claim the person scammed them of everything. You'll need some kind of way to prove he hijacked you. If it was a typical hijacking case where he took your account, then I wouldn't even expect you to be here as he would still have your password or valve would have restored your account to you, along with the missing items.